Another Angle on KY dominating TN in turkey management

[Roost 1]

No shortage of them around here.

Since I know you hunt with catman and he's spoken out numerous times contrary to your opinion. I suspect your either naive to what's happening, new to the sport, or both.

For years I've been isolated from any issues but they're here now and very real

Facts and stats don't lie, and show a disturbing down turn in our hunting.

Keep your head in the sand and one day soon you'll understand

I control my population of deer and turkeys. I work hard to provide habitat for them to thrive. Keeping my head in the sand won't affect me one way or the other.

I'm assuming most of those not seeing turkeys are hunting public land or not putting in time on private land to help build the population.

It will be interesting to see how your answers change in the next 5yrs provided you don't change......

 

[Setterman]

No shortage of them around here.

Since I know you hunt with catman and he's spoken out numerous times contrary to your opinion. I suspect your either naive to what's happening, new to the sport, or both.

For years I've been isolated from any issues but they're here now and very real

Facts and stats don't lie, and show a disturbing down turn in our hunting.

Keep your head in the sand and one day soon you'll understand

I control my population of deer and turkeys. I work hard to provide habitat for them to thrive. Keeping my head in the sand won't affect me one way or the other.

I'm assuming most of those not seeing turkeys are hunting public land or not putting in time on private land to help build the population.

I'd say there's a couple of us that have forgotten more about managing for turkey, deer, etc then you've ever known. Not taking a shot at you, just pointing out your statement is made with a huge amount of ignorance regarding what some of us do with regards to wildlife.

Facts and stats, again don't support your points. It's very easy to believe that whatever happens on your own little island is what's happening everywhere. I know in my younger and less experienced days I fell into this trap many times.

 

[Dover_Mike]

I emailed Roger Applegate this morning, he was quick to give me a response but all it said was:

Michael,
This must be submitted to our Region 1 office. They develop all proposals for consideration during our season setting.

 

[Dover_Mike]

here is the TWRA Region 1 office email:

[email protected]

The phone number is: 1-800-372-3928

According to Applegate we have to go through these guys to propose a change.

 

[PickettSFHunter]

I looked up Roger Applegate's email but i'm not sure it's the same guy. Shows some p'fessor at UT...is that him?

Yes that's him.


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[Boll Weevil]

So then, who's in for sending a note to ASKRegion1 to try and a little momentum around our concerns?

 

[arkwaterfowler]

I have two field observations.

First in Lafayette Tennessee I have seen a dramatic decline in the number of birds over the last five years. From 10 gobblers to one on opening day. Some of it is due to habitat - ie the cattle farms grew up and were no longer bushhogged.

Second in Montgomery county I see the exact opposite. I have witnessed a significant increase in the turkey population over the last five years. From 2 gobblers on opening day to 12. We always leave the jakes alone and leave one or two longbeards for good riddance.

Everybody sees a different situation but the amount of concerns is well, concerning.

I am going to email the folks at TWRA and contact my local game warden. We all have a common goal here - more turkeys!

 

[darn2ten]

No shortage of them around here.

Since I know you hunt with catman and he's spoken out numerous times contrary to your opinion. I suspect your either naive to what's happening, new to the sport, or both.

For years I've been isolated from any issues but they're here now and very real

Facts and stats don't lie, and show a disturbing down turn in our hunting.

Keep your head in the sand and one day soon you'll understand

I control my population of deer and turkeys. I work hard to provide habitat for them to thrive. Keeping my head in the sand won't affect me one way or the other.

I'm assuming most of those not seeing turkeys are hunting public land or not putting in time on private land to help build the population.

How many acres do you "control"? All the land I hunt in my county and the one next to me is private land. This area used to be a turkey paradise. I hunt a lot and have turkey hunted for 20+ years and can tell you that I know what we've experienced is real and beyond the control of how one individual manages their habitat. I've done plenty of improvements on my own farm for years and yet the population continues to decline. Don't be surprised when it happens, and I promise it can happen in a hurry.

 

[woodsman87]

No shortage of them around here.

Since I know you hunt with catman and he's spoken out numerous times contrary to your opinion. I suspect your either naive to what's happening, new to the sport, or both.

For years I've been isolated from any issues but they're here now and very real

Facts and stats don't lie, and show a disturbing down turn in our hunting.

Keep your head in the sand and one day soon you'll understand

I control my population of deer and turkeys. I work hard to provide habitat for them to thrive. Keeping my head in the sand won't affect me one way or the other.

I'm assuming most of those not seeing turkeys are hunting public land or not putting in time on private land to help build the population.

You are assuming wrong.

Didn't look like great habitat management on yours and catman's video of gobblers walking through knee high fescue grass. Adult birds are big and strong enough to wade through it, and tall enough to see around them. Poults, not so much. They will get hung up in the tall fescue. In a hurry.

I imagine with your piss poor attitude that you are better than the rest of us, you will soon see what it is like.


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[FARMTOFIELD]

I see the decline happening, but I've seen the Lawrence, wayne, Giles decline first hand and it was awful.

I will say this I have seen very slow increase in my area of Lawrence Counties population. But that's not saying much because it sure as heck couldn't have got any worse

 

[Setterman]

"]No shortage of them around here.

Since I know you hunt with catman and he's spoken out numerous times contrary to your opinion. I suspect your either naive to what's happening, new to the sport, or both.

For years I've been isolated from any issues but they're here now and very real

Facts and stats don't lie, and show a disturbing down turn in our hunting.

Keep your head in the sand and one day soon you'll understand[/quote]

I control my population of deer and turkeys. I work hard to provide habitat for them to thrive. Keeping my head in the sand won't affect me one way or the other.

I'm assuming most of those not seeing turkeys are hunting public land or not putting in time on private land to help build the population.[/quote]


You are assuming wrong.

Didn't look like great habitat management on yours and catman's video of gobblers walking through knee high fescue grass. Adult birds are big and strong enough to wade through it, and tall enough to see around them. Poults, not so much. They will get hung up in the tall fescue. In a hurry.

I imagine with your piss poor attitude that you are better than the rest of us, you will soon see what it is like.


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Not to mention it makes great ambush cover for predators, come to think of it didn't something happen with a gobbler recently....

Add to it, if managing for deer and turkeys includes fescue then very little management is actually occurring

 

[TN Larry]

From the buck limit threads in the Serious Forum, here are the proper channels to send comments. I think that they are taking comments until 5/18.


NOTE: Put "Hunting Season Comments" on the subject line of your e-mails and send them to the following TWRA e-mail addresses:

[email protected]



Here is a link containing the contact info for all the TFWC commissioners. These are the people who control the fate and have the final say on limits!

http://www.tn.gov/twra/comnames.html


TFWC Chairman Jim Bledsoe (District 3): [email protected]
TFWC Vice-Chairman Harold Cannon (District 2): [email protected]
TFWC Secretary Jamie Woodson (District 5): [email protected]
Chad Baker (District 1): [email protected] Teague: [email protected]
David Watson (District 4): [email protected]
Connie King (District 6): [email protected]
Kurt Holbert (District 7): [email protected]
Trey Teague (District 8): [email protected]
Bill Cox (District 9): [email protected]
Dr. Jeff McMillin (Statewide): [email protected]
Bill Swan (Statewide): [email protected]
Jeff Cook, M.D. (Statewide): [email protected]
Jim Ripley (Statewide): [email protected]

District 1 counties: Carter, Claiborne, Cocke, Greene, Grainger, Hamblen, Hancock, Hawkins, Jefferson, Johnson, Sullivan, Unicoi, and Washington.
District 2 counties: Anderson, Blount, Campbell, Cumberland, Knox, Loudon, Morgan, Roane, Scott, Sevier, Union.
District 3 counties: Clay, DeKalb, Fentress, Grundy, Jackson, Macon, Overton, Pickett, Putnam, Smith, Trousdale, Van Buren, Warren and White.
District 4 counties: Bledsoe, Bradley, Hamilton, Marion, McMinn, Meigs, Monroe, Polk, Rhea, and Sequatchie.
District 5 counties: Bedford, Cannon, Coffee, Davidson, Franklin, Lincoln, Marshall, Moore, Robertson, Rutherford, Sumner, and Wilson.
District 6 counties: Cheatham, Dickson, Giles, Hickman, Houston, Humphreys, Lawrence, Lewis, Maury, Montgomery, Stewart, Wayne, and Williamson.
District 7 counties: Benton, Carroll, Decatur, Hardin, Henderson, Henry, Perry
District 8 counties: Chester, Crockett, Dyer, Gibson, Lake, Madison, Obion, and Weakley.
District 9 counties: Fayette, Hardeman, Haywood, Lauderdale, McNairy, Shelby, and Tipton.

 

[catman529]

Not to mention it makes great ambush cover for predators, come to think of it didn't something happen with a gobbler recently....

Add to it, if managing for deer and turkeys includes fescue then very little management is actually occurring

if you look at it that way, good nesting cover also makes good ambush cover, as does a strutting gobblers tail fan. You haven't seen the food plots or the hardwoods or thickets, you've only seen the couple of spots in the video which are fescue.

I know last years poult recruitment was good because FF saw a group of 12 jakes earlier this spring...


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[Setterman]

Not to mention it makes great ambush cover for predators, come to think of it didn't something happen with a gobbler recently....

Add to it, if managing for deer and turkeys includes fescue then very little management is actually occurring

if you look at it that way, good nesting cover also makes good ambush cover, as does a strutting gobblers tail fan. You haven't seen the food plots or the hardwoods or thickets, you've only seen the couple of spots in the video which are fescue.

I know last years poult recruitment was good because FF saw a group of 12 jakes earlier this spring...


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Poult recruitment was outstanding on the public land I hunt, that's not an issue. It's the harvest outweighs recruitment along with natural mortality.

Every property I've ever managed we eradicate every single blade of fescue, it's not tolerated, period.

Planting food plots doesn't equate to flawless management. For some reason people feel that when they plant plots they're now really managing the propety. They're just one tiny aspect of management

 

[catman529]

Not to mention it makes great ambush cover for predators, come to think of it didn't something happen with a gobbler recently....

Add to it, if managing for deer and turkeys includes fescue then very little management is actually occurring

if you look at it that way, good nesting cover also makes good ambush cover, as does a strutting gobblers tail fan. You haven't seen the food plots or the hardwoods or thickets, you've only seen the couple of spots in the video which are fescue.

I know last years poult recruitment was good because FF saw a group of 12 jakes earlier this spring...


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Poult recruitment was outstanding on the public land I hunt, that's not an issue. It's the harvest outweighs recruitment along with natural mortality.

Every property I've ever managed we eradicate every single blade of fescue, it's not tolerated, period.

Planting food plots doesn't equate to flawless management. For some reason people feel that when they plant plots they're now really managing the propety. They're just one tiny aspect of management

well I don't manage it so I won't say any more other than he knows what goes on out there better than anyone else, and the turkeys are doing quite well.


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[Roost 1]

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[catman529]

With the public land pressure I've seen lately, I think a lowered limit on some WMAs might even be necessary and cut way back on fall hunting too. Private land is pretty much out of TWRA's control because they can't tell you how many hunters can kill their limit on a particular property.


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[davlterr9]

It's in the new proposals that a hunter can only kill 1 Tom per wma on the WMA's in and around my area

 

[Roost 1]

With the public land pressure I've seen lately, I think a lowered limit on some WMAs might even be necessary and cut way back on fall hunting too. Private land is pretty much out of TWRA's control because they can't tell you how many hunters can kill their limit on a particular property.


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Nope but keep banging' them and you will figure it out soon enough..... The younger guys on here should be listening to what the older guys are saying..... All some people know are " the good ol days of turkey hunting", lots of us were around for the tough days as well as the good. I think we can see where this is going.... Trust me Catman you haven't seen bad yet, but without some changes, you will..... Imagine going to your wma of choice and not hearing a bird the whole season.. It can happen and it can happen on private land too...

 

[catman529]

With the public land pressure I've seen lately, I think a lowered limit on some WMAs might even be necessary and cut way back on fall hunting too. Private land is pretty much out of TWRA's control because they can't tell you how many hunters can kill their limit on a particular property.


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Nope but keep banging' them and you will figure it out soon enough..... The younger guys on here should be listening to what the older guys are saying..... All some people know are " the good ol days of turkey hunting", lots of us were around for the tough days as well as the good. I think we can see where this is going.... Trust me Catman you haven't seen bad yet, but without some changes, you will..... Imagine going to your wma of choice and not hearing a bird the whole season.. It can happen and it can happen on private land too...

I know and will be sending some emails soon.


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