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Baiting Bill HB1618/SB1942
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Sounds like somebody needs a sign for their corn pile:
DoubleRidge
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@DoubleRidge I succumbed to the "Hey Macarena" aspect of my life...LOL you did sum it up nicely though..lolWhat in the world happened? I leave for one hour and you boys done run off the reservation! High fence? Truck load of weed? Breeder bucks? Deer Farms? What the heck?
Snake
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Wayyyy over my little pea brain ... went South in a hurry ...
Madbowh
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Breeder buck 
If you get one of these put them back like when you're trout fishing
If you get one of these put them back like when you're trout fishing
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You're not yourBreeder buck
If you get one of these put them back like when your trout fishing
Madbowh
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killingtime 41
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You'd have to also follow the same big game and turkey regs. Season dates and manner and means.Cant have an 3 month gun season over bait. I'll bet that's coming in changes in the near future for anTN also. Either way what will be will be. I'm just not so sure baiting gives all the advantages people think it does. And I have no idea if it's detrimental to turkeys or not.
Its very detrimental to turkeys, bear and quail
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deerhunter10
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I would have lost a lot of money if someone would have told me the deer hunting forum was more heated then the turkey forum this time of year. But here we are.
Maybe we need to start this topic in the turkey forum also!!!!
Might stir the pot call so to speak....Maybe we need to start this topic in the turkey forum also!!!!
Carrying capacity cannot be increased by winter green food plots alone. Feeding corn or rice bran or protein-it makes no difference-all works to increase the feeding of birds, turkeys and deer. Winter is hard enough on animals and high winter kill rates make no one happy.
Having lived in other states where "baiting" is legal, I have to say it doesn't make anyone "less of a hunter". Just because you don't bait, doesn't make you a better hunter. Never has, never will.
I know of no people who sit over corn and kill big bucks, consistently. Of course, some idiot will scream "baiting is cheating." To those I would say, you probably aren't that great of a hunter anyway. Any decent hunter knows a hot trail or creek crossing is the best place to hunt. Or an acorn flat. While watching the wind. Not vaping. Moving very little.
You have to be lucky to kill big deer anyway. Game cameras don't make you Chuck Adams, bro.
All against baiting should take comfort in knowing their neighbors will enjoy more deer, because when natural browse is eaten up, they will have more concentrated deer populations due to extra calories being available. Which may or may not lead to CWD spreading.
The neighbors will not necessarily have more success, because deer-when fed-will become more nocturnal. If you doubt this please READ some of the studies. They are very interesting. It's a fact-see studies at Miss State University, UGA and Stephen F Austin in Texas. The studies here negate most old wive's tales hunters like to profligate.
Hunting pressure determines the likelihood of a deer to move in daylight hours. Not the amount of feed on the ground.
Please READ some of the studies on deer patterns. It will help.
As to CWD, the latest literature and scientific data shows that a percentage of deer are genetically immune/resistant to the virus. It has been out west for years and the populations have not been decimated. It has been here in the Southeast for at least 10 years, and yet we still have healthy populations of deer. CWD is the climate change of the hunting world. Maybe it's a problem, but it's not gonna cause the end of all hunting as we know it.
Overreaction is all too common in the hunting community. Like it or not, baiting will be here soon. Luckily, it will not lead to the death of hunting.
In closing, the biggest threat to game populations in any state are the "good ole boy" wildlife commissioners who really don't know sheep dip about population management, hunter numbers, supplemental feeding affects on game populations, deleterious effects of liberal game bags and out of season "game management" practices carried out by local yokel wildlife officers.
Having lived in other states where "baiting" is legal, I have to say it doesn't make anyone "less of a hunter". Just because you don't bait, doesn't make you a better hunter. Never has, never will.
I know of no people who sit over corn and kill big bucks, consistently. Of course, some idiot will scream "baiting is cheating." To those I would say, you probably aren't that great of a hunter anyway. Any decent hunter knows a hot trail or creek crossing is the best place to hunt. Or an acorn flat. While watching the wind. Not vaping. Moving very little.
You have to be lucky to kill big deer anyway. Game cameras don't make you Chuck Adams, bro.
All against baiting should take comfort in knowing their neighbors will enjoy more deer, because when natural browse is eaten up, they will have more concentrated deer populations due to extra calories being available. Which may or may not lead to CWD spreading.
The neighbors will not necessarily have more success, because deer-when fed-will become more nocturnal. If you doubt this please READ some of the studies. They are very interesting. It's a fact-see studies at Miss State University, UGA and Stephen F Austin in Texas. The studies here negate most old wive's tales hunters like to profligate.
Hunting pressure determines the likelihood of a deer to move in daylight hours. Not the amount of feed on the ground.
Please READ some of the studies on deer patterns. It will help.
As to CWD, the latest literature and scientific data shows that a percentage of deer are genetically immune/resistant to the virus. It has been out west for years and the populations have not been decimated. It has been here in the Southeast for at least 10 years, and yet we still have healthy populations of deer. CWD is the climate change of the hunting world. Maybe it's a problem, but it's not gonna cause the end of all hunting as we know it.
Overreaction is all too common in the hunting community. Like it or not, baiting will be here soon. Luckily, it will not lead to the death of hunting.
In closing, the biggest threat to game populations in any state are the "good ole boy" wildlife commissioners who really don't know sheep dip about population management, hunter numbers, supplemental feeding affects on game populations, deleterious effects of liberal game bags and out of season "game management" practices carried out by local yokel wildlife officers.
And Turkey populations are EXPLODING in the states I hunt in with baiting. Aflatoxin effects are questionable at best when compared to fire ants, raccoons, bobcats and uncontrolled coyote populations.
Please read some studies and educate yourselves on the real problems affecting turkeys.
Save a turkey, kill a bobcat or a coyote.
Please read some studies and educate yourselves on the real problems affecting turkeys.
Save a turkey, kill a bobcat or a coyote.
I'm interested in hearing and seeing the reaction if this is made legal! Looks like lots of people are surprisingly for it. I've hunted over bait in Georgia once and it really wasn't all that fun. Saw a few does. Would rather hunt buck sign on the other side of my buddies farm. So I really don't care either way. As I said in a earlier post if it's as dangerous to wildlife as people claim, outlaw all feeding year round.
DoubleRidge
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Educate yourself? What? Who ever said fire ants, raccoons, bobcats and coyotes were not a problem for turkeys? Nobody ever said aflatoxin was the #1 issue for the wild turkey? What has been said is why would we want to add another challenge to what the turkey is already facing? Corn adds no benifit to a supplemental feed program....our winters in TN are mild anyway. Manage your forest for thousands of pounds of natural forage...dont manage through a bag of corn....and I've read plenty of MSU deer studies...great educational material on TSI, prescribed fire and food plotting....Never heard Dr Bronson Strikland promote the overwhelming great benifits of feeding corn to turkeys and deer? Yes...MSU has some great educational material....and Many universities are studying the decline of the wild turkey in the last decade... Universities in MS, TN and KY.
Never said "corn" was the answer. Supplemental feeding with a comprehensive land management protocol is the way forward.
A pevious poster mentioned aflatoxin. Wanted to clarify that. Nobody hunts turkeys over corn anyway.
Turkey populations in MS, AL, GA and TX are exploding.
DoubleRidge
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I've never read one published report from one wildlife biologist that said supplemental feeding was part of the way forward? Ill have to look for studies to understamd the benifits of feeding deer?
"Georgia turkey populations, like those through much of the Southeast, are in decline from successful post-restoration numbers. Biologists esimated that the state had about 250,000 to 300,000 turkeys in 2022. That was down from about 350,000 a few years earlier"
" Alabama Spring hunters have historically taken up to 60,000 or more birds some years, but that dropped to an average of 40,000 for a time. In 2022, hunters took an estimated 35,740 turkeys"...downward trend.
Universities across the Southeast are studying the decline...not just TN.
But hopefully the last couple of favorable springs will help them bounce back...hearing some good reports.
