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Cops on trail cam

UCStandSitter said:
Well then I guess all I can say to you is good luck brother. I said what I believe and you said what you believe.

If you are content with disparaging folks without cause, nothing I can say will change that. I genuinely hope you never require assistance from any of these horrible officers.
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I meant no disparagement only stated my firm beliefs. It is out of my control how others interpret that.

I surely hope to not have dealings with the law because there is a chance that it will be horrible.
 
Pilchard said:
@348Winchester serious question. I suppose based on your comments that you are in favor of body cams for our police force. How do you feel about teacher cams so parents can review classroom footage?
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Honestly, I don't think that is a horrible idea. It could remove the he said/she said from issues, and would help when there is a kid/teacher conflict to show exactly what happened, what was said, and where the actual issue was. It would cut down on parent always backing their kid, even when they were in the wrong, and give teaches a leg to stand on when their school administration won't back them.
 
348Winchester said:
See how something can be escalated? A burned out bulb is illegal and there are those that are itching to turn it into something more and call all the "force" ( appropriate choice of words) to use their "fun tools".
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I don't pretend to speak for all cops, but let me be clear when I say that if I suspected someone in a car was casing an area for burglaries or dealing drugs, I was going to stop them. I did my time in traffic and knew the vehicle code forward and backward. As we were told it is a great tool for stopping suspects on district patrol. I wasn't pretending that a taillight escalated into a warrant or drug bust. I was using it for probable cause to stop a suspicious vehicle and testified to that in court when defense attorney's would think that would get their client off.

The citizens that lived in the area were appreciative of that. The people that weren't doing anything wrong rarely turned into azzhats and were let go with a warning.

Cities like NYC and Chicago have put serious limitations on traffic stops and stopped Stop & Frisk all together. Seeing the outline of a gun doesn't cut it, they need to see a gun. So the murders continue as cops are told to not do their job.

Good cops are leaving. So yes, you are going to see more bad cops.
 
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Specializedjon said:
10-4.

Sooooo.....when they're chasing a bad guy and they're hopping fences, they're trespassing??

Better yet, they're pursuing a poacher that happens to be on your property. They need your permission to investigate said crime?

Good luck with that. I'll leave it there and remain quiet from here on out. Not trying to be a smart ass, I'm just telling you the way it is.

- Read it in a book
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All of this is correct. If they were investigating probable cause of a crime, chasing a suspect, etc, they wouldn't need permission.

Still, if you are polite and inquire, then they should offer a high level explanation.

If not, you could probably FOIA it. That's going a bit far though.
 
Falconi said:
How about you assume they are to be respected until proven otherwise?
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That's how it was when I was growing up. You respect people until they give you a reason not to. It doesn't appear to me its that way anymore.

Some people don't have respect for anyone in authority. Whether it be Police officers, Military Officers, School teachers, parents, or supervisors at work. It usually causes them more problems that the people they are rebelling against. Many of us learned that young in life.

I always respected the FBI as a professional LE organization. I don't respect them anymore and I think they have earned that.

I respect schoolteachers. Until I find out they are teaching CRT, trying to change history, or having conversations with children about their sexuality. Then I disrespect them, and I think they earned that.
 
Falconi said:
And why do you suppose that is?



How about you assume they are to be respected until proven otherwise?
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I do not know exactly. It's probably many factors. Maybe because they do not have to deal with as many people overall. Maybe it's because they may know more of the people they interact with regularly. It could be that rural people in general are better people. I honestly do not know so the above is merely conjecture.

Surely you know the old saying about assumptions. My strategy has been to not have dealings with them.
 
DaveTN said:
That's how it was when I was growing up. You respect people until they give you a reason not to. It doesn't appear to me its that way anymore.

Some people don't have respect for anyone in authority. Whether it be Police officers, Military Officers, School teachers, parents, or supervisors at work. It usually causes them more problems that the people they are rebelling against. Many of us learned that young in life.

I always respected the FBI as a professional LE organization. I don't respect them anymore and I think they have earned that.

I respect schoolteachers. Until I find out they are teaching CRT, trying to change history, or having conversations with children about their sexuality. Then I disrespect them, and I think they earned that.
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I also lose respect for my fellow teachers when they are tyrannical or fail to teach practical lessons and cling to curriculum like it's the last lifeboat leaving the Titanic.
 
348Winchester said:
I do not know exactly. It's probably many factors. Maybe because they do not have to deal with as many people overall. Maybe it's because they may know more of the people they interact with regularly. It could be that rural people in general are better people. I honestly do not know so the above is merely conjecture.

Surely you know the old saying about assumptions. My strategy has been to not have dealings with them.
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Uh.... the assumption that they are assholes is still an assumption, no?
 
Falconi said:
Apologies for use of the wrong word. Crooks, then. You have some experience with crooked cops so you paint all cops you don't know with the same brush. Sounds like an assumption. Potato potahto.
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No, not all.

That's what sparked this whole thing. I said "most" cops are crooked. That was a little heavy. I should have said some are crooked. While we can debate percentages to no avail, only a knave would say there are none that are shady.

So no, I do not think all of them are crooked. I do firmly believe that there are enough crooked cops that it is best not to have dealings with them.
 
Racknquack said:
I tend to give the cops the benefit of the doubt. I'm assuming like others they are after someone and potentially keeping them away from my family. I'd just assume them run them through my property than have to call me and ask permission while their breaking into my building to hide. I know it's " mine" but to me, their the good guys. Just my opinion.
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Some of them aren't, just my opinion. I would want to know if bad guys are running around in my woods. Least they could do is let you know after the fact.
 
TNGunsmoke said:
I'd call and ask about it, and probably say something along the lines of "I need to speak to someone about a picture on my trail camera of some officers walking on my place. I just need to know if there is something going on that I need to know about and to keep a look out for for my own safety". You'll probably come nearer to getting an actual answer from someone phrasing it that way.
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THIS is exactly how I would handle it.
It is your property, and you DO have a right to know why they were there without notification or permission.
They have the right to cross into private property with 'probable cause' or in pursuit, but not much else.
I'd bet they were after someone, rather than on a "fishing expedition'.
I'd RESPECTFULLY inquire, in the spirit of making sure there wasn't some criminal element using your property for a mobile meth lab or whatever.
Let them know you're the landowner, and if they need any help you're the person to contact.
 
Cops in the past never needed probable cause or to be in a pursuit to enter private property. It was done all the time on district patrol of private residences and checking businesses. Has there been a court decision that has stopped that?
 
So, I finally ended up getting a call back from one of the supervisors. He said that they wanted to go up on one of the ridges in our woods to check out our family cemetery that they had seen located on a map. No harm no foul, but I told him I don't like the fact that they took it upon themselves to trespass and just have a heyday in my woods when I hunt them all the time. All I need is a stray bullet ripping through the timber and hitting a cop that I had no idea was back there.
 
JJBraves said:
So, I finally ended up getting a call back from one of the supervisors. He said that they wanted to go up on one of the ridges in our woods to check out our family cemetery that they had seen located on a map. No harm no foul, but I told him I don't like the fact that they took it upon themselves to trespass and just have a heyday in my woods when I hunt them all the time. All I need is a stray bullet ripping through the timber and hitting a cop that I had no idea was back there.
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Valid point.

What was their response?
 
JJBraves said:
So, I finally ended up getting a call back from one of the supervisors. He said that they wanted to go up on one of the ridges in our woods to check out our family cemetery that they had seen located on a map. No harm no foul, but I told him I don't like the fact that they took it upon themselves to trespass and just have a heyday in my woods when I hunt them all the time. All I need is a stray bullet ripping through the timber and hitting a cop that I had no idea was back there.
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My immediate thought on that is "BS". But I'm not anti cop by any means. Could be ongoing investigation that they don't want to address directly.

Could be legit I suppose, just seems strange to me
 

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