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hammer33

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Im trying to get a handle on the estrus cycle of does. If peak rut is Nov 18th in my area, does that mean that almost all the reproductively mature deer will be cycling within a few days of that date?
If a doe gets missed, how many days until she cycles again? Is that a hard number or can they cycle early for a second time?

We seem to have a second bump of buck activity around December 20 each year here at the farm.
I have also seen wobbly new born fawns as late as September.
 
If I'm not mistaken. If I doe doesn't get bred when they are in estrus they will come back in about 30 days later. Bsk or someone smarter then me will chime in. But that's the "2nd rut" people always talk about. For us some of our best days especially if we get weather and arent tagged out are December 12 through the 15th.
 
I would say a lot of the does get bred. But, I'm sure some don't. I remember seeing a mature buck following a doe closely, a few years ago in February.
 
Why would All the doe's come in at the same time or even a week apart. I'd say they don't. I'd say some come in just about anytime in November and some even in December. They were all born on different dates. With the one's that didn't get bread coming back in 28 days later. And this years fawns coming in sometime in December Or January depending on when they were born. So the rut by definition is November to after season closes. Term peak rut is just when a larger percentage of the doe's are in heat.
 
Why would All the doe's come in at the same time or even a week apart. I'd say they don't. I'd say some come in just about anytime in November and some even in December. They were all born on different dates. With the one's that didn't get bread coming back in 28 days later. And this years fawns coming in sometime in December Or January depending on when they were born. So the rut by definition is November to after season closes. Term peak rut is just when a larger percentage of the doe's are in heat.
The majority of does get bred about the same time. It's Nature's way of more fawns surviving.
 
For what it is worth- I have pics of a buck following a doe last year on Feb 14 and on Feb 28th.

My wife watched a doe in the stand last weekend she swore was pregnant. I hung a cam and got a pic of it. I would not be surprised. She is huge.
 
Why would All the doe's come in at the same time or even a week apart. I'd say they don't. I'd say some come in just about anytime in November and some even in December. They were all born on different dates. With the one's that didn't get bread coming back in 28 days later. And this years fawns coming in sometime in December Or January depending on when they were born. So the rut by definition is November to after season closes. Term peak rut is just when a larger percentage of the doe's are in heat.
Why? Fawn survival as @Biggun4214 said. Through most of the whitetail range it's to synchronize fawns dropping 1) to swamp predators and 2) avoid weather issues. Deer in south Florida rut in July so they are dropping fawns outside of hurricane season, for example.
 
I have no idea what's going on with my place on the mountain. I've had a doe with a younger doe that I'm assuming is one of her offspring, and they haven't separated. A lot of new small bucks the last couple weeks and one or two older deer I've not seen before passing through. Saw what looked like a brand new rub about a week ago. No daytime activity. But I basically have a 1 to 1 ratio, if not more bucks than does in the area. Down in the valley, they were acting stupid a week and a half ago. Either I've missed it or they rut late up there.
 
I have no idea what's going on with my place on the mountain. I've had a doe with a younger doe that I'm assuming is one of her offspring, and they haven't separated. A lot of new small bucks the last couple weeks and one or two older deer I've not seen before passing through. Saw what looked like a brand new rub about a week ago. No daytime activity. But I basically have a 1 to 1 ratio, if not more bucks than does in the area. Down in the valley, they were acting stupid a week and a half ago. Either I've missed it or they rut late up there.
There's always a ton of rut activities that we never see at night.
 
This doe was bred last March. The Fawn was born on or about October 9 when I almost ran over it laying in a 4 wheeler track. This was taken on my Montana ranch yesterdayv morning. It is 19 degrees now. Hard to believe coyotes haven't got it killed yet.
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This doe was bred last March. The Fawn was born on or about October 9 when I almost ran over it laying in a 4 wheeler track. This was taken on my Montana ranch yesterdayv morning. It is 19 degrees now. Hard to believe coyotes haven't got it killed yet.View attachment 254871
I have the same type of photos over the years. Which leads me to believe what I posted earlier. A majority come into estrous at the same time. But that leaves some that didn't take. And others that come in after the majority. And this years fawns even later. Maybe in a 1 to 1 ratio.it all happens synchronized. But we don't have that anywhere I've hunted in Tn. Unless it's heavily managed land.
 
More data, might not be valid.
We have sheep that get bred in November. Put the ram in Saturday before MZ. He checked out all the girls (12) and bred one immediately. Next morning he was pestering a different doe. That afternoon he was back with the first girl.
Over the next 2 weeks he paid attention to 8-9 of the girls that we could track. So by best estimate, 3-4 girls were not "in" during the first 2 weeks.
Those open ewes will likely get serviced as they come in during the next 2-3 weeks. ( based on historical data) One or two will need as many as 3 breeding cycles to "take".
Historically, the mid-older ewes with the best body condition get bred first. The younger ewes seem to take a week or so to cycle after the ram is put in.
Then the late ewes are a crapshoot. One or two old ones, one or two young first timers, toss in a middle aged one every year or two with no measurable pattern. Those late oddballs drive us nuts at lambing season as they typically surprise us when they drop unexpectedly as we are about to give up on them being fat instead of pregnant. These oddballs also may breed on schedule 3 years in a row, then randomly be a late breeder. So being off calendar can be a one off event.

I am guessing that the does have a similar pattern. Healthiest peak fertility does are ready first, followed by the bulk of the does. Then you have the oddballs. Older declining does that cycle a little late, younger does that cycle a little off peak. Then for the most part the rut is over...... Except there is the odd doe that goes into estrus randomly outside peak dates.
A month later, the second rut happens when the unbred does from the first cycle, kick off again +more late cyclers including young does that have just matured. Then the trickle happens as the rest of the oddballs randomly come into estrus. Old does, Does with health issues, young late maturing fawns, yearlings that are off calendar.......
Does this theory sound feasible?
 
Throw a pile of women together, make them live together for 4 or 5 months, and most of them will end up cycling together. Which means they are all fertile at the same time.

Same way with deer ...

Now that being said, based on 13 days hunting in November and 20 trail cam info, peak of breeding was delayed about 5 days on my farms. Prob due to the extreme drought (my farms are still in extreme/ exceptional drought according to NOAA).
Does not bred will cycle back in again in 28 days... the 2nd rut.

And again 28d later for 3rd rut (which is almost nonexistent).

But there are outliers... a handful of does that ovulate at times different than the other 80%. Hence there is a chance a doe will ovulate and breed in October, as well as extremely late (January/Feb) (These dates are for middle TN outside south Nashville)
 
Several years ago Region 4 aged fetuses from road kill. I picked up a couple of yearling does that were bred in March. Another thing that can cause extended ruts is an unbalanced buck to doe ratio.
 
Very complicated question hammer33. In the Southeast, where weather is not a big player in fawn survival, Natural Selection is free to work on best estrus timing to produce the best fawn drop timing for the local conditions (more about that later). In this type of environment, herd dynamics can play a significant role in estrus timing. The presence or absence of older bucks in the population (buck age structure), and the local adult sex ratio, and even at times the doe age structure, can influence how long the rut lasts and when it occurs.

IF all herd dynamics are in order (close to natural buck and doe age structure and adult sex ratio), most - around 95% - of does will be bred in a 5-6 week period. Time and again when conducting fetal conception date data from herds with excellent herd dynamics we found this to be true. However, these conceptions are not evenly spread across the 5-6 week period. Conceptions start out slow the first week, explode in the 2nd into the 3rd week, and then trickle down to nothing by the end of the 5th or 6th week. In essence, conceptions are very "front loaded" in the process, and in most locations you can find a 10-day window during which 50% of conceptions occur. Below is a real-world data graph showing the percent of conceptions we found on a population of deer with exceptional herd dynamics. In the 2nd and 3rd week of breeding (14 days) 65% of conceptions occurred, even though the entire process took 6 weeks.

Of course, that's considering herds with great herd dynamics. But what if a local herd doesn't have great herd dynamics? In the Southeast, the rut can get really messy, and that's where you see "trickle ruts," where a little breeding is occurring over a long period of time. We have studied such herds, and I've seen conceptions dates spread across 120+ days (that's more than 3 months!). These herds had skewed sex ratios (often close to 3:1 pre-hunt), and buck age structures with few older bucks.

And here's another wrench in the machine - annual food sources. In areas where deer are heavily "acorn driven" (rely on acorn crops to load up on fat for the winter), an acorn failure year can so reduce the health of the local population that does enter estrus later than normal. My local deer population, that I have been tracking in great detail for many years, is very acorn driven. In any year with even a decent acorn crop, peak dates to see bucks chasing does are almost the exact same between years. However, in an acorn failure year, we will see peak chasing delayed about 7 to 10 days. This year was almost a total acorn failure year (we had a few in the early season but they were underdeveloped and wormy, and what few good ones existed were vacuumed up immediately). And this year our peak chasing was about 7 days late. In 2022 we had a total acorn failure, and peak chasing was 10 days late.

And remember when I said in a herd with good dynamics, 95% of does are bred within 5-6 weeks? Well what about the other 5%? They can and will be bred at some crazy times! I believe a few does get bred one estrus cycle (28-30 days) prior to the main estrus (peak of the rut). This is where the idea of a "false rut" in October comes from, I believe one or two does come into heat then and hunters see a flurry of rubbing, scraping and chasing at this time. In addition, some does breed at the normal time, but conception doesn't occur, so their bodies will go back into estrus 28-30 days after the normal peak. This is where the second rut comes in. And lastly, and something few hunters think about is that some does are incapable of conceiving for a variety of reasons, but their bodies will still keep going into estrus over and over (and they will be bred over and over) every 28-30 days until the breeding window closes. I've seen these type of does in estrus as late as early April. They are probably on their 5th or 6th estrus cycle that year, and bucks act accordingly!
 

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Awesome answer BSK ! Thank you.
That helps to explain some of our sheep herd dynamics as well.

On our farm, if you want to see lots of activity with young bucks and does moving everywhere, hunt opening week of mz.
If you want to see a mature buck, (not very likely) but much fewer deer, hunt gun opener through December 28,

I think the mature bucks are range shifting from better properties once the bulk of the does have been bred. They pop up on camera one day, and either find a doe and stick around for a day or two or pass on through.
 
That brings up another discussion about what hunters call "the peak of the rut." Exactly what are they talking about: the peak of chasing and daylight activity, or the actual peak of breeding? I ask that because on several properties I work with the actual peak of breeding is what most hunters call the "lock-down phase," when the most dominant bucks are holed-up with estrus does in thick cover. At this time, hunters see fewer mature bucks (because they're holed-up), and scrapes appear to go dead. On these properties, the best time to see mature bucks on their feet during daylight is the two weeks prior to first does coming into estrus (the "seeking" phase when every buck is on his feet almost 24 hours per day looking for the first does, and scraping and rubbing peak), or as soon as peak breeding begins to wane, and mature bucks are back to looking for estrus does again. Lock-down is generally one of the worst times to see a mature buck.
 
That brings up another discussion about what hunters call "the peak of the rut." Exactly what are they talking about: the peak of chasing and daylight activity, or the actual peak of breeding? I ask that because on several properties I work with the actual peak of breeding is what most hunters call the "lock-down phase," when the most dominant bucks are holed-up with estrus does in thick cover. At this time, hunters see fewer mature bucks (because they're holed-up), and scrapes appear to go dead. On these properties, the best time to see mature bucks on their feet during daylight is the two weeks prior to first does coming into estrus (the "seeking" phase when every buck is on his feet almost 24 hours per day looking for the first does, and scraping and rubbing peak), or as soon as peak breeding begins to wane, and mature bucks are back to looking for estrus does again. Lock-down is generally one of the worst times to see a mature buck.
I'm new to paying real attention to a property, when I was young I'd didn't care about rut, I was hunting whenever I could, but one thing I'm curious about, is all but one of the bucks that frequented my property through October hasn't been seen since, and the bucks that now frequent my property are one's I'd not seen before this year. In between I had a couple of weeks with no activity at all when acorns dropped, which makes sense considering I'm surrounded by mature oak forest. The new deer include two of the largest bucks I've seen and three of the smallest. I hadn't seen any evidence of bucks following does or sparring until about a week ago, and still no daytime activity with the exception of one doe two days ago. I also saw the beginning of one new rub a week and a half ago. The woods are dead during the day. I'm in the mountains surrounded by public CNF but I've only seen one person hunting anywhere near me and that was one time around the start of muzzleloader, so I'm not seeing that the deer are being pressured. Best I can tell buck/doe ratio is close to 1:1, at least those using my property. I have no idea what's going on with the rut here.
 
As for the resident bucks disappearing and new bucks showing up, this is something I was convinced occurred due to my many years of trail-camera data. Talking to other biologists, they had also seen similar trail-camera evidence. Finally, a couple of universities finally tracked this behavior with GPS collars (Miss St and Auburn). It turns out some bucks have a "rut range" - a range they only live in for the 5-6 weeks of peak breeding, and this rut range may be completely outside of their normal fall range, sometimes miles away. MOST bucks that have a separate rut range, go back to that same range year after year during the rut. However, a few actually choose a new rut range every year, never using the same area twice.
 

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