Florida, Tenn, Miami. Who is next?

[Mudbone]

Dude needs dalvin cooks lawyer.

 

[THEdonkey0515]

I didn't get my Facts confused at all.

I've seen statements on TNdeer from gator Fans that say, they was nothing Coach X could have done? He can't watch them 24/7. That is all I was saying

I understand they tell mommy & daddy we will take care of your boy, this dude was a JR when he got to Tennessee Not a 16 year old being recruited outta highschool. i understand coaches are Reasonable for taking CARE of them, But the player needs to do his part also when it comes to staying outta trouble Especially upperclassmen.

TeamMainStreet is right when you Reach a certain age it falls on YOUR shoulders not moms,dads or the coaches anymore.

 

[TreyB]

It falls on the players shoulders. They are old enough to have made the decision to enroll in COLLEGE, they should dang well be old enough to make the right decision when it comes to doing something against the law.


At what age do people need to start being held accountable for their own actions instead of blaming someone else, like the head coach?

I agree with you on this.... I think it falls more on the coaches shoulders on how he handles it.

 

[gator-n-buck]

Lil Johnny also needs to make some effort at being a grown up and try to take care of himself also.

We agree but who is responsible for lil Johny while playing football and makes the decision when he's kicked off the team. I believe that falls on the coaches shoulders. No getting around it...

 

[TeamMainStreet]

Butch Jones makes that call and has made that call in every single case so far.


It is the players responsibility to control their person at all times as to not put themselves in these situations to start with. They are their own responsibility and nobody elses. After they fail to behave like adults, then it is Butches responsibility to deal with them as far as any football team related capacity. All have been suspended indefinately from the team and that is about as far as Butch can go with it being hes only the football coach and not the AD or university president.

 

[mjac]

I figured that you would view this like you did Winston??? If he's not been arrested, it must of not happened. Of course there's a witness in the Winston case...

You forgot to cut and paste this part.. :tu:

"No one has been arrested in connection to Obando's death. Police are calling their investigation a death investigation and not releasing many details."

If Joiner did murder her then he needs to go to prison....

There is no Winston case.

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https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/t ... nformation

"No charges were filed in the case. Winston was found not to have violated FSU's student code of conduct. The state attorney, Willie Meggs, told the press in December 2013 at the time he announced that he was not pressing charges, "We have a duty as prosecutors to determine if each c ase has a reasonable likelihood of conviction. After reviewing the facts in this case, we do not feel that we can reach those burdens." A big reason for not being able to reach those burdens stemmed from police failure to investigate the crime when it was initially reported."

If you really want get the facts, Google Willie Meggs, the Florida States attorney. You will learn that in the end Mr Meggs says there wasn't evidence to bring a case against Winston. Also Mr Meggs, in concert with the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement, found that there was no errors in the way the Tallahassse police Dept.handled the case.
Furthermore I would suggest that rather than parrot some hack sports writer's old column for your facts and educate yourself to the real facts. Its been long enough and the real story is out there, but like most, you are not interested. Or not, and remain among those Gators, who typically when taking about FSU related issues, are all mouth and no ears. Most feel the need to shout.

 

[gator-n-buck]

I figured that you would view this like you did Winston??? If he's not been arrested, it must of not happened. Of course there's a witness in the Winston case...

You forgot to cut and paste this part.. :tu:

"No one has been arrested in connection to Obando's death. Police are calling their investigation a death investigation and not releasing many details."

If Joiner did murder her then he needs to go to prison....

There is no Winston case.

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https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/t ... nformation

"No charges were filed in the case. Winston was found not to have violated FSU's student code of conduct. The state attorney, Willie Meggs, told the press in December 2013 at the time he announced that he was not pressing charges, "We have a duty as prosecutors to determine if each c ase has a reasonable likelihood of conviction. After reviewing the facts in this case, we do not feel that we can reach those burdens." A big reason for not being able to reach those burdens stemmed from police failure to investigate the crime when it was initially reported."

If you really want get the facts, Google Willie Meggs, the Florida States attorney. You will learn that in the end Mr Meggs says there wasn't evidence to bring a case against Winston. Also Mr Meggs, in concert with the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement, found that there was no errors in the way the Tallahassse police Dept.handled the case.
Furthermore I would suggest that rather than parrot some hack sports writer's old column for your facts and educate yourself to the real facts. Its been long enough and the real story is out there, but like most, you are not interested. Or not, and remain among those Gators, who typically when taking about FSU related issues, are all mouth and no ears. Most feel the need to shout.[/quote]


Wait a minute the police handled a case??? So there is a case/case file on this investigation???? It's doesn't matter if the DA's office refused to prosecute. The police still worked a case and has the case on file.... Let's look up the definition case....

A situation requiring investigation or action (as by the police) (2) : the object of investigation or consideration.

We could always do a Bill Clinton and define the word "is".... :rotf: We wouldn't even get into that Winston has a civil "CASE" pending against him... :tu:

 

[mtn cur]

 

[gator-n-buck]

Butch Jones makes that call and has made that call in every single case so far.


It is the players responsibility to control their person at all times as to not put themselves in these situations to start with. They are their own responsibility and nobody elses. After they fail to behave like adults, then it is Butches responsibility to deal with them as far as any football team related capacity. All have been suspended indefinately from the team and that is about as far as Butch can go with it being hes only the football coach and not the AD or university president.

Your last paragraph basically agrees with what I have been saying..... When players get in trouble it falls on the HC shoulders "period". No one is arguing that players need to learn how to behave but at the end of the day the HC is responsible for the team.... :tu:

I hate to use Ole Jimbo but he spells it out...." FSU football coach says he takes responsibility for players conduct issues."

"Head coach Jimbo Fisher said the blame stops with him as the primary beacon of the program."

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/sid ... uct-issues

 

[smalljawbasser]

You really think it's the coaches fault, or just trolling?

I'm not sure you guys get it??? A coach is like anybody that runs a business. They are evaluated on production and the employees behavior. If both are not good then in most cases the boss or HC will be fired. The coaches arent committing these acts or condone what the players are doing but in the end, the image of the program falls on the HC's shoulders. Its up to the coaches to do background checks on these kids before they recruit them. No different than hiring an employee. Coaches have been fired for losing control of their programs in the past...

Not saying that CBJ should be fired but in the end, it falls on his shoulders. If it didn't he wouldn't be the one kicking these players off the team...

background checks? really? what, they gonna call the NSA and get a phone tap? ask his momma igf he's a good boy, and likes puppies and old people?

"naw, we're gonna pass on that 4* defensive tackle, the psychiatric study we commissioned says he might choke somebody. and we all know we're trying to foster an environment that is conducive to rape, not choking." GMAB.

of course it "falls" on the head coach to kick them off the team when they screw up. but you insinuate it's the head coaches FAULT that something happened in the first place. dude was kicked off the team while he was still sitting in the pokey. if a 20 year old doesn't know any better than to choke another person i fail to see how a coach is somehow either at fault or responsible for anything past kicking them off the team.

and in parting, I love when one guy argues with 20 other ones, and tries to make it out like they are the ones that "don't get it".

 

[gator-n-buck]

You really think it's the coaches fault, or just trolling?

I'm not sure you guys get it??? A coach is like anybody that runs a business. They are evaluated on production and the employees behavior. If both are not good then in most cases the boss or HC will be fired. The coaches arent committing these acts or condone what the players are doing but in the end, the image of the program falls on the HC's shoulders. Its up to the coaches to do background checks on these kids before they recruit them. No different than hiring an employee. Coaches have been fired for losing control of their programs in the past...

Not saying that CBJ should be fired but in the end, it falls on his shoulders. If it didn't he wouldn't be the one kicking these players off the team...

background checks? really? what, they gonna call the NSA and get a phone tap? ask his momma igf he's a good boy, and likes puppies and old people?

"naw, we're gonna pass on that 4* defensive tackle, the psychiatric study we commissioned says he might choke somebody. and we all know we're trying to foster an environment that is conducive to rape, not choking." GMAB.

of course it "falls" on the head coach to kick them off the team when they screw up. but you insinuate it's the head coaches FAULT that something happened in the first place. dude was kicked off the team while he was still sitting in the pokey. if a 20 year old doesn't know any better than to choke another person i fail to see how a coach is somehow either at fault or responsible for anything past kicking them off the team.

and in parting, I love when one guy argues with 20 other ones, and tries to make it out like they are the ones that "don't get it".

Coaches/schools do background checks with the H.S, online accounts, and former coaches. Yes, these schools pay people and recruiting services to know everything about these kids before they offer. Schools even keep up with these kids online accounts to have a feeling on what type of character the player might have. With JUCO players there's a little more history and sometimes there's red flags when dealing with JUCO players. Nothings fool proof and kids fall through the cracks. College is a big money business. I think is was the Ducks that paid a recruiting service $25,000.00 in one year.

It's been well documented that school have passed on players with a troubled past no matter how many stars they had. One thing we are forgetting is that a kid has to receive an offer from a school before the kid can sign with that school. Before a coach makes an offer, he has to decide will this kid fit within the program. Yes, coaches will take a chance with some kids but it all depends on the coaches circumstances and the pressure to win...

 

[TeamMainStreet]

And after doing all of that you still don't know exactly what you've got with anybody. People are imperfect, mean, violent and some downright disturbing and most of the time there was very little, if any, indication of it. I'm sure there was no reason for Derek Dooley to believe Mack Crowder would one day be a sexual predator. I'd say that Urban Meyer had no way of knowing Hernandez would eventually be a murderer. Like I said, people are not perfect beings and that includes head coaches also.


Butch is responsible for them as in showing them the right way to do things and trying to guide them in the right direction on and off the field. Yes I will agree with that. But sometimes, no matter how hard you try, some people can't be guided. It's kind of like that old saying "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." If they don't have enough self respect and intelligence to act like they were raised with some sense, then you have lost before you started.

 

[gator-n-buck]

And after doing all of that you still don't know exactly what you've got with anybody. People are imperfect, mean, violent and some downright disturbing and most of the time there was very little, if any, indication of it. I'm sure there was no reason for Derek Dooley to believe Mack Crowder would one day be a sexual predator. I'd say that Urban Meyer had no way of knowing Hernandez would eventually be a murderer. Like I said, people are not perfect beings and that includes head coaches also.


Butch is responsible for them as in showing them the right way to do things and trying to guide them in the right direction on and off the field. Yes I will agree with that. But sometimes, no matter how hard you try, some people can't be guided. It's kind of like that old saying "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." If they don't have enough self respect and intelligence to act like they were raised with some sense, then you have lost before you started.

No one's disagreeing that every team out there will have kids messing up, that's life. The big debate was who's shoulders does it fall on when it comes to the program / Team. Jimbo pretty much summed it up....

 

[mtn cur]

There is a pattern that has been slowly developing in Knoxville, and eventually it will come to a head. Transfers, suspensions, sexual assault allegations, lawsuits.....yet now, it's "picking" on them. For those who haven't figured it out, the only way to expose a corrupt culture is to bring it to the attention of the public. ANYTHING that happens at UT is going to be reported. They are under the microscope, and they should be. Clean up the program, and your problem will be solved.


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[bigquacks]

There is a pattern that has been slowly developing in Knoxville, and eventually it will come to a head. Transfers, suspensions, sexual assault allegations, lawsuits.....yet now, it's "picking" on them. For those who haven't figured it out, the only way to expose a corrupt culture is to bring it to the attention of the public. ANYTHING that happens at UT is going to be reported. They are under the microscope, and they should be. Clean up the program, and your problem will be solved.


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I am sure if we knew which "team" you pulled for there would be more than enough to talk about. You just like coming on here and stiring the pot. 92% of your posts on
TNDEER are on the Sports Forum. Quit being a troll and contribute more to the site. I don't always agree with Gator but he is active on the entire site and brings more to the
campfire than just talking crap.

 

[TeamMainStreet]

There is a pattern that has been slowly developing in Knoxville, and eventually it will come to a head. Transfers, suspensions, sexual assault allegations, lawsuits.....yet now, it's "picking" on them. For those who haven't figured it out, the only way to expose a corrupt culture is to bring it to the attention of the public. ANYTHING that happens at UT is going to be reported. They are under the microscope, and they should be. Clean up the program, and your problem will be solved.


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Man just stop. There is a problem nation wide with sexual assault. Look it up 106 universities across the country are under investigation. As much as you would like for it to be so, this is not confined to Knoxville and UT. Go ahead and say errrbody doin it because they are. It is a major problem that needs to be dealt with. There is no "rape sexual assault football team cover up". Get the frick over it and add something constructive to the conversation.

 

[mtn cur]

you're kidding.....right


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[TeamMainStreet]

Here read up.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/22/health/ca ... ge-survey/

 

[TeamMainStreet]

you're kidding.....right


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No

 

[TeamMainStreet]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ed ... story.html