Grant Woods and the Longbeard shells

Just what we need.... another company, more people, promoting long shots that result in crippled/lost birds.... as if Hevi-Shot weren't doing a good enough job by themselves.

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muddyboots said:
Growing deer tv newest video shows grant woods patterning the longbeard shells out to 70 yards. Ill have to admit its pretty impressive.
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muddyboots said:
Hes not promoting shooting that far. Hes adamant about that. Hes just showing what the patterns look like . Pretty informative.
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Whether he is directly or indirectly..... by him even mentioning it and showing it.... he is promoting it. By your first statement "I'll have to admit, it's pretty impressive".... supports my statement. Others will see it and try to copy the results on a live bird.
 
Wasn't saying you personally..... this same horse gets beat on every few months.... I know you know and we know.... it's the beginners and most impressionable people I am referring to.
 
I saw the episode also, and was a bit dismayed. I don't know how much energy a lead #6 has at 70 yards but can potentially see a lot of crippled birds getting knocked off their feet only to regain their composure and fly off.

Just because the shell may be able to pattern at a particular distance, if there's not enough energy to break bone way out there, it won't do the job.
 
Boll Weevil said:
I saw the episode also, and was a bit dismayed. I don't know how much energy a lead #6 has at 70 yards but can potentially see a lot of crippled birds getting knocked off their feet only to regain their composure and fly off.

Just because the shell may be able to pattern at a particular distance, if there's not enough energy to break bone way out there, it won't do the job. [/quote

He was using #5's but i agree i don't know regardless of the pattern/shot size, if there is enough energy at 70 yds. That is a long way.

He did say more than once he was not advocating shooting 70 yds and that for long range shots, you need to have optics with some magnification. Unfortunately, the others are right. Someone with little experience will see this and go shoot at a bird at 70 yds with a bead and wound it.
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I'd have been more impressed if Dr. Woods had simply shown the 40-yr pattern, and left it at that. No matter how we rationalize the 70-yd thing, he ended up promoting hunters' taking long-range, low-probability shots.

Single pellet in the gut, the bird dies a few days later, unrecovered by the shooter.
 
I have never used the shells. I use nitros but they patterned as well or better than mine on video. I went to Winchester website and they say the shell is loaded with something 10 per cent heavier than lead. So they are saying they aren't lead. Are they lead shells?
 
Boll Weevil said:
Yes, the LBs are good ol'copper plated lead (vs. HTL).
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Encased in some type of resin that pretty much fragments through the flightpath after the shell is fired.... it is supposed to hold the shot charge together a little longer.... The hulls I fired last week looked like they had been held over a fire and charred about a 1/2" from the open end....
 
I get so frustrated year in and year out with companies promoting 55+ yard shots on turkey it makes me sick. That is not an ethical shot in my book what so ever !! I have patterned all kinds of turkeys loads and guns over the years and yes I can hold a good enough pattern at those distances to kill a paper turkey but a real turkey I think not...If you want a real good test take a 1/4 inch marine plywood out at 45 yards and see if it will penetrate through it. I strongly suggest you guys contemplating shooting the Longbeard 6's to due this as yes they will hold a pattern at 50 but in my experience they don't have the energy to penetrate. I see a lot of wounded and disgusted turkey hunters this spring that try to push the limits of what the shell is capable of doing. I have tested the 5's at 50 yards and 30% of the pellets penetrated all the way through. The 6's had less then 5% penetrate. The HTL loads definitely do penetrate better at longer distances but they don't hold a candle to the patterns the longbeards are giving in my opinion. That is why as turkey hunters and sportsmen it is our job to know what the tools we carry are capable of doing. That being said I have switched from Hevi shot mag blend this year to the longbeards I know at 45 yards(a reasonable shot)my gun is going to kill the bird without questions from my gun. Part of the joy of hunting these elusive birds is the fact of getting inside there comfort zone and watching them work!!
 
very good point final steps. no telling how many times if been some where eating breakfast or something and get to listening to hunters tell the stories about the misses of a long shot or I know I hit him I don't know why it didn't kill him blah blah blah, it drives me up the wall.
 
Final steps TC said:
I get so frustrated year in and year out with companies promoting 55+ yard shots on turkey it makes me sick. That is not an ethical shot in my book what so ever !! I have patterned all kinds of turkeys loads and guns over the years and yes I can hold a good enough pattern at those distances to kill a paper turkey but a real turkey I think not...If you want a real good test take a 1/4 inch marine plywood out at 45 yards and see if it will penetrate through it. I strongly suggest you guys contemplating shooting the Longbeard 6's to due this as yes they will hold a pattern at 50 but in my experience they don't have the energy to penetrate. I see a lot of wounded and disgusted turkey hunters this spring that try to push the limits of what the shell is capable of doing. I have tested the 5's at 50 yards and 30% of the pellets penetrated all the way through. The 6's had less then 5% penetrate. The HTL loads definitely do penetrate better at longer distances but they don't hold a candle to the patterns the longbeards are giving in my opinion. That is why as turkey hunters and sportsmen it is our job to know what the tools we carry are capable of doing. That being said I have switched from Hevi shot mag blend this year to the longbeards I know at 45 yards(a reasonable shot)my gun is going to kill the bird without questions from my gun. Part of the joy of hunting these elusive birds is the fact of getting inside there comfort zone and watching them work!!
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I shoot Mag Blends, but am contemplating switching. I can get twice as many shells for the same price.

BTW you need to change your signature line if you switched your ammo :grin:
 
Bone Collector said:
Final steps TC said:
I get so frustrated year in and year out with companies promoting 55+ yard shots on turkey it makes me sick. That is not an ethical shot in my book what so ever !! I have patterned all kinds of turkeys loads and guns over the years and yes I can hold a good enough pattern at those distances to kill a paper turkey but a real turkey I think not...If you want a real good test take a 1/4 inch marine plywood out at 45 yards and see if it will penetrate through it. I strongly suggest you guys contemplating shooting the Longbeard 6's to due this as yes they will hold a pattern at 50 but in my experience they don't have the energy to penetrate. I see a lot of wounded and disgusted turkey hunters this spring that try to push the limits of what the shell is capable of doing. I have tested the 5's at 50 yards and 30% of the pellets penetrated all the way through. The 6's had less then 5% penetrate. The HTL loads definitely do penetrate better at longer distances but they don't hold a candle to the patterns the longbeards are giving in my opinion. That is why as turkey hunters and sportsmen it is our job to know what the tools we carry are capable of doing. That being said I have switched from Hevi shot mag blend this year to the longbeards I know at 45 yards(a reasonable shot)my gun is going to kill the bird without questions from my gun. Part of the joy of hunting these elusive birds is the fact of getting inside there comfort zone and watching them work!!
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I shoot Mag Blends, but am contemplating switching. I can get twice as many shells for the same price.

BTW you need to change your signature line if you switched your ammo :grin:
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Lol
 

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