Grant Woods and the Longbeard shells

muddyboots said:
Growing deer tv newest video shows grant woods patterning the longbeard shells out to 70 yards. Ill have to admit its pretty impressive.
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Growing deer TV has no business dipping into the turkey hunting world, in fact their approach to deer is doing enough damage on its own.

These people on TV and elsewhere in the public eye are not doing things to make hunting any better, and are only creating a new generation which is repulsive in their tactics, mentality, ethics, and general way they spend their time afield.

Spend an afternoon watching hunting shows for all the proof you need of this
 
But really guys, is this any different than a sports car doing 180mph down a winding mountain road on a commercial. Are you gonna do it? Common sense is there or its not. Guarantee you the same guy will make the same long shot with long beards,htl, federal or nitros. Hit or miss! Your wasting your thumbs typing, except you ALL have promoted this video! Good luck opening to all!
 
I see nothing wrong with showing the shot. I watched it and it did not feel the urge to go out and take a 60+ yard shot. I think some people just like to find something to complain about it.
 
What y'all don't seem to understand or notice is that the entire culture of hunting is changing.

The simple things are everything is focused on making things easier and easier and completing removing hunting from the sport and replacing it with killing critters the easiest way imaginable.

As an example during youth hunts everyone goes on and on how a decoy and blind are mandatory because kids can't sit still enough to kill a bird. Back in my youth, like many others we had to learn to sit still or else we spooked the bird, in other words we learned the hard way how to be successful, and learned from our mistakes. Now those mistakes are eliminated and short cuts are taken to ensure something gets killed immediately rather than learning to be a good hunter and not making mistakes which ruin killing opportunities. I'm not knocking those who use the above method, just showing an example.

Another example are these new loads and chokes to kill birds at long range. It used to be that if you didn't set up well or call well, the bird won and walked away. Thus teaching us to be better hunters, rather than again having that instant success.

My point is advancements are fantastic, and we all benefit from many, but at what point are we ruining the sport by making things to easy?

Some see this movement while most are oblivious as to what's happening. At some point taking the approach of if its legal who cares, is just naive to where the future of our sport is headed.

This is more a bigger picture thing than just a simple turkey shell discussion.

Where do you all want this sport to go?
 
Setterman said:
What y'all don't seem to understand or notice is that the entire culture of hunting is changing.

The simple things are everything is focused on making things easier and easier and completing removing hunting from the sport and replacing it with killing critters the easiest way imaginable.
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My point is advancements are fantastic, and we all benefit from many, but at what point are we ruining the sport by making things too easy?

Some see this movement while most are oblivious as to what's happening. At some point taking the approach of if its legal who cares, is just naive to where the future of our sport is headed.

This is more a bigger picture thing than just a simple turkey shell discussion.

Where do you all want this sport to go?
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Some very good points there, Setterman.
I believe we may be turning what was once the sport of hunting into little more than just shooting.

It will not surprise me if we don't soon have shooters (I just can't call everyone carrying a gun a "hunter") demanding centerfire rifles be legal for turkey hunting in TN.

But where do I want this sport to go?
I'd simply like to see more focus on promoting the hunting than the shooting. True, shooting and killing are a part of hunting, but we can make it more or less about the hunt, or the shooting. If what one wants most is just to shoot and to kill something, I'm sure many pig and poultry farmers can make arrangements for anyone to come kill their pigs and birds for a few dollars.
 
I understand and agree with your point setterman. My only point was just because we see something doesn't make you do it.
 
bogger said:
I understand and agree with your point setterman. My only point was just because we see something doesn't make you do it.
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You missed the entire premise of my post. That's the problem and what's eroding this sport. Too many of us have the view that as long as it it's legal than we should look the other way and not worry.

In reality we should be asking is this really good for hunting? Or is it just pushing us further towards killing and eliminating the hunting aspect for the sake of instant gratification?
 
You can go back decades and listen to people say the same thing about compound bows, inline muzzleloaders,crossbows or rage broad heads.lol which I'm sure everyone of us own at least one of. I just don't see the point in complaining about a guy shooting a target at 70 yds. I myself love to watch a bird work in to 30yds. But we will always have poachers, shooters ands those who purely enjoy just getting in the woods and see beyond the kill. I see that the latter is your belief and I see it the same way. Let's get out there and hear some gobbling sat. Good luck gentlemen.
 
bogger said:
You can go back decades and listen to people say the same thing about compound bows, inline muzzleloaders,crossbows or rage broad heads.lol which I'm sure everyone of us own at least one of. I just don't see the point in complaining about a guy shooting a target at 70 yds. I myself love to watch a bird work in to 30yds. But we will always have poachers, shooters ands those who purely enjoy just getting in the woods and see beyond the kill. I see that the latter is your belief and I see it the same way. Let's get out there and hear some gobbling sat. Good luck gentlemen.
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Go back and read my other post, I pretty clearly address the same exact stuff you do above. However, I see things from a different point of view.
 
I have been saying it for years, TV is/will be tje downfall to hunting. It used to be the hunting shows did focus on the hunt as Wes mentioned, however, apparently that doesn't get you sponsorships.. Now they just promote products and focus on the kill....alot of these guys don't know a thing about hunting, just killing but it sells....I watched Michael Waddell crawl around behind his Thunderchicken shooting gobblers....does this really need to be on TV? I can already envision the story of how hunter gets shot crawling around behind a decoy........
 
Man that makes my blood boil. I will choose to not comment any further so I don't get myself in trouble. But let it be known every week that has passed during this ramp up to the season I'm losing more and more faith in the people that call themselves turkey hunters and am ashamed to share the woods with them.
 
Roost 1 said:
I have been saying it for years, TV is/will be tje downfall to hunting. It used to be the hunting shows did focus on the hunt as Wes mentioned, however, apparently that doesn't get you sponsorships.. Now they just promote products and focus on the kill....alot of these guys don't know a thing about hunting, just killing but it sells....I watched Michael Waddell crawl around behind his Thunderchicken shooting gobblers....does this really need to be on TV? I can already envision the story of how hunter gets shot crawling around behind a decoy........
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yep of course tv will be a major result in the downfall of hunting look how much its helped society
 
Look-everyone has to determine their own style/method in all aspects of life. With turkey hunting it is no different. I am happy to see an improved shell that doesn't cost $5 per that will hold tighter patterns to longer range myself-that also means it has a tighter pattern at shorter or more appropriate ranges as well. Technology has given us much more efficient equipment. If a hunter chooses to hunt with the equipment that his grandfather or great grandfather used- great! That certainly should give him/her a greater sense of accomplishment when they are successful. However that doesn't give them the right to become the czar or emperor of turkey hunting to dictate to other hunters the ways and means that the other hunters should/must use. The same concept applies to all other hunting as well. Everyone has their line of fair chase or ethics-it WILL NOT be the same for everyone. That is why legal ways and means are the province of the wildlife agencies and not any one individual. Just hunt the way you like and don't worry so much about what everyone else is doing. Their methods shouldn't detract from your enjoyment of your hunting style.
 
That may be all good and well if you are hunting private lands.... If you are hunting public lands, others' actions can/do affect your hunt.... I have had it happen on private land as well though.

As a license buyer, I have the right to say something.... especially if I see someone out shooting up shells wounding turkeys left and right because they saw someone on tv/youtube make that same shot or they read about a 72 yard shot on an internet forum and they think they can too.... Wounded and lost birds affects us all as turkey hunters.... especially in areas where the population may be struggling.
 
The hunting industry has a tremendous opportunity I believe...to bring to the forefront topics related to hunting ethics and and developing skills in the field. Ethics are personal and I get that but so much focus in on product / outfitters vs woodsmanship / sportsmanship.
 
IMO, if someone is stupid enough to wound turkeys left and right because they saw a video or a post, it's not the video/post's fault... You just have a stupid hunter running in the woods who would do stuff like that anyway. I know someone whose friend went with another friend last year on opening day, and between the 2 of them, they killed 8 toms out of a flock. Just goes to show some people don't care.
 

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