HB 1618

DoubleRidge said:
Ok....so poison darts, spot lighting, aflatoxin, no limits.....the heck with conservation and stewardship....I bought it and can do what I want....gotcha.
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If choosing between excessive government restrictions or private property freedom, I'll choose the latter. You live in a state where farmers can gut shoot dozens of deer on a summer night so they run out of the field to die but if a private land owner shoots a doe to feed his family on the wrong date or with the wrong weapon he can be fined and/or lose hunting privileges. Which one is stewardship?
 
Strict said:
If choosing between excessive government restrictions or private property freedom, I'll choose the latter. You live in a state where farmers can gut shoot dozens of deer on a summer night so they run out of the field to die but if a private land owner shoots a doe to feed his family on the wrong date or with the wrong weapon he can be fined and/or lose hunting privileges. Which one is stewardship?
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There will always be extreme examples on each end of the spectrum....the conversation started with the question..."should baiting be legal?"
I dont believe so...so, if choosing between extreme examples and sound stewardship Ill choose the latter...baiting isnt good for wildlife.
 
DoubleRidge said:
Yeah actually I do....but I dont own the deer, turkey and songbirds...and I do care about whats best for wildlife.
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how much. is it enough to matter in this equation!!! my little bit dont really but i really dont wanna listen to a state government agency that has let our turkey population decline so bad its down to two weeks later on opening date and 2 birds less!!
 
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DoubleRidge said:
There will always be extreme examples on each end of the spectrum....the conversation started with the question..."should baiting be legal?"
I dont believe so...so, if choosing between extreme examples and sound stewardship Ill choose the latter...baiting isnt good for wildlife.
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You brought up the extreme examples with this strawman argument.

DoubleRidge said:
Ok....so poison darts, spot lighting, aflatoxin, no limits.....the heck with conservation and stewardship....I bought it and can do what I want....gotcha.
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Stewardship and conservation sound great but people with that mentality were the ones telling you to take a vaccine "for the common good" or "close down your business" to do your part to slow the spread. It's also weird how these great stewards always see their way of hunting as the right way. They want to tell others what weapons to use or how to hunt or how many bucks to kill or how big or old the animal should be, you know, in the name of stewardship. Their stewardship seems a lot like someone wanting to have a little control over another individual.

A private landowner will be the best steward of his land 9/10 times. The government (stewards) have annihilated much of the white-tailed deer herd in many places in the name of disease prevention. Is that a form of misguided stewardship? Nothing says stewardship like slaughtering healthy herds before they might get sick.
 
Strict said:
You brought up the extreme examples with this strawman argument.



Stewardship and conservation sound great but people with that mentality were the ones telling you to take a vaccine "for the common good" or "close down your business" to do your part to slow the spread. It's also weird how these great stewards always see their way of hunting as the right way. They want to tell others what weapons to use or how to hunt or how many bucks to kill or how big or old the animal should be, you know, in the name of stewardship. Their stewardship seems a lot like someone wanting to have a little control over another individual.

A private landowner will be the best steward of his land 9/10 times. The government (stewards) have annihilated much of the white-tailed deer herd in many places in the name of disease prevention. Is that a form of misguided stewardship? Nothing says stewardship like slaughtering healthy herds before they might get sick.
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Stewardship and conservation are simply putting the wildlife and land we enjoy above our enjoyment because we want our children to enjoy it after us. "People with that mentality" are the reason you have deer and turkeys to hunt and clean water to fish in.

Stewardship isn't exclusive to any political party and it shouldn't be.
 
turkey32 said:
how much. is it enough to matter in this equation!!! my little bit dont really but i really dont wanna listen to a state government agency that has let our turkey population decline so bad its down to two weeks later on opening date and 2 birds less!!
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How much land I own doesnt change whats best for all wildlife. And the decline in turkey numbers is well documented across the southeast not just portions of Tennessee.
 
Strict said:
You brought up the extreme examples with this strawman argument
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my "extreme examples" were sarcasm in reply to a post where it was said that a private landowner should be able to do whatever they want...your extreme example was about the starving folks who cant kill deer out of season...please....so back on topic...the question was asked, should baiting be legal...I think its terrible for wildlife...pretty simple.
 
Strict said:
Stewardship and conservation sound great but people with that mentality were the ones telling you to take a vaccine "for the common good" or "close down your business"
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Talk about a strawman argument...wow.

We clearly have different ideas of what wildlife conservation and stewardship is.
 

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