DoubleRidge
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Yeah actually I do....but I dont own the deer, turkey and songbirds...and I do care about whats best for wildlife.
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If choosing between excessive government restrictions or private property freedom, I'll choose the latter. You live in a state where farmers can gut shoot dozens of deer on a summer night so they run out of the field to die but if a private land owner shoots a doe to feed his family on the wrong date or with the wrong weapon he can be fined and/or lose hunting privileges. Which one is stewardship?
DoubleRidge
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There will always be extreme examples on each end of the spectrum....the conversation started with the question..."should baiting be legal?"
I dont believe so...so, if choosing between extreme examples and sound stewardship Ill choose the latter...baiting isnt good for wildlife.
When will it be passed, or failed?
how much. is it enough to matter in this equation!!! my little bit dont really but i really dont wanna listen to a state government agency that has let our turkey population decline so bad its down to two weeks later on opening date and 2 birds less!!
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You brought up the extreme examples with this strawman argument.
Stewardship and conservation sound great but people with that mentality were the ones telling you to take a vaccine "for the common good" or "close down your business" to do your part to slow the spread. It's also weird how these great stewards always see their way of hunting as the right way. They want to tell others what weapons to use or how to hunt or how many bucks to kill or how big or old the animal should be, you know, in the name of stewardship. Their stewardship seems a lot like someone wanting to have a little control over another individual.
A private landowner will be the best steward of his land 9/10 times. The government (stewards) have annihilated much of the white-tailed deer herd in many places in the name of disease prevention. Is that a form of misguided stewardship? Nothing says stewardship like slaughtering healthy herds before they might get sick.
MickThompson
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Stewardship and conservation are simply putting the wildlife and land we enjoy above our enjoyment because we want our children to enjoy it after us. "People with that mentality" are the reason you have deer and turkeys to hunt and clean water to fish in.
Stewardship isn't exclusive to any political party and it shouldn't be.
DoubleRidge
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How much land I own doesnt change whats best for all wildlife. And the decline in turkey numbers is well documented across the southeast not just portions of Tennessee.
DoubleRidge
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my "extreme examples" were sarcasm in reply to a post where it was said that a private landowner should be able to do whatever they want...your extreme example was about the starving folks who cant kill deer out of season...please....so back on topic...the question was asked, should baiting be legal...I think its terrible for wildlife...pretty simple.
DoubleRidge
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Talk about a strawman argument...wow.
We clearly have different ideas of what wildlife conservation and stewardship is.
DoubleRidge
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Well said....Thank You.
Stewardship and conservation are labels people use to push their agenda and make themselves feel good about. The labels are subjective. What's stewardship to a leftist environmentalist who doesn't own land may not jive with a landowner who owns 200 acres and enjoys to hunt. Who decides? The leftists in CA used stewardship and conservation (words that sound good) to cause a wildfire and water crisis- is that stewardship? Tens of thousands of burnt acres later, many will say no.
Ironically, in the name of stewardship CWD policies without scientific evidence have wrecked deer herds in Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri, and some counites in TN. Hunters today aren't enjoying it and neither will their children if the policies don't stop.
The debate is individual rights or the collective. Below is the actual definition. I submit an individual landowner will do a better job than the state the majority of the time. This country was founded on individual rights and limited governmental power. It's no coincidence private property rights are one of the first things Marxists go after.
Stewardship is an ethical value that embodies the responsible planning and management of resources. It is the act of taking care of or managing something, such as property, an organization, money, or valuable objects.
