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I am starting to believe in climate change…

Ski said:
Just inside the last 10,000yrs the Amazon was a desert while the Sahara was a jungle. Half of the northern hemisphere was under a 2 mile thick glacier. Sea levels have risen enough to swallow entire civilizations. Megafauna have gone extinct. North America was a network of mega metropolitan regions interconnected with sophistication and population that rivaled anywhere in the world before suddenly disappearing.

That 10,000yrs in scale of the earth's history is akin to one road stripe on the I-10 highway. And we get all tore up over a few degree increase in global temps over a few year time. When you put things in perspective global warming as we are experiencing it seems pretty trivial, IMO.
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Curious which mega metropolitan regions your are talking about other than the Mayan/Aztecs?
 
BSK said:
Disagreements in science are not only normal, they are how science works. I cannot emphasize this enough. Science is about collecting facts and then testing hypotheses about what the facts mean. Then the scientist publishes his/her ideas and presents all of the data to the scientific community for others to test to see if they come to the same conclusions. The process works because everyone else gets to poke holes in the theories of others. Critical analysis is the cornerstone of science. However, we have recently moved into a "new" (and disastrous) form of "science." When you have "scientists" (read political/social activists masquerading as scientists) hiding the data, or even worse, altering the data so it comes out the way they want it to, science is officially dead. And that's where we're at.
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I couldn't agree with this more, critical thinking is dead.

I've been a building science specialist for over 17 years. I'm working my best to get out of it completely. We are regressing as a nation in this area. I can tell people if you do "this" it will cause "this to happen". They will still do it wrong and then get pissed off that Facebook and thier buddy was wrong after all. It's a "don't rock the boat" with truth era that I want no part in.
 
BSK said:
It is more about three falls in a row under La Nina climate patterns than anything else. But has the Earth's climate warmed over the last two decade or so? Yes, due to warmer oceans worldwide. The question is, why are the oceans warmer? Ocean temperatures control the world's climate, but no one knows what controls ocean temperatures.
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TRUMP does……🥴
Only kidding 😀
 
woodsman04 said:
Good data here.

I would like to see a graph of just the months of October through February or something. If possible.

It's always hot and humid in the south. I do not think the summers are getting hotter. I just think our winters aren't getting as cold .
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Interestingly we are not setting very many daily high records in the Mid South - It's just that the low temps are not getting as low.

I don't have access to the raw data for this. Just found this graph
 
backyardtndeer said:
That's exactly why so much science is flawed.
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In my younger days, I worked in a pharmacology lab at UT Health Science Center. We were doing some really interesting published research on cocaine addiction as well as some novel cancer cell data.

I can say without question that this is correct. We published good data, but it would not be hard at all to selectively use data in that setting that supports what you want to show (i.e. get more funding)
 
Ski said:
Just inside the last 10,000yrs the Amazon was a desert while the Sahara was a jungle. Half of the northern hemisphere was under a 2 mile thick glacier. Sea levels have risen enough to swallow entire civilizations. Megafauna have gone extinct. North America was a network of mega metropolitan regions interconnected with sophistication and population that rivaled anywhere in the world before suddenly disappearing.

That 10,000yrs in scale of the earth's history is akin to one road stripe on the I-10 highway. And we get all tore up over a few degree increase in global temps over a few year time. When you put things in perspective global warming as we are experiencing it seems pretty trivial, IMO.
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No question we are living in a very mellow time.

There also isn't any question that we are putting a lot of gases into the atmosphere that are changing the way that natural weather cycles work.

I think it's ok to acknowledge this without being doom and gloom.
 
DeerCamp said:
There also isn't any question that we are putting a lot of gases into the atmosphere that are changing the way that natural weather cycles work.

I think it's ok to acknowledge this without being doom and gloom.
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I agree. My only real issue with any of it is the use of hyperbole to influence political agendas. The truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth would be amazing but that seems like too much to ask.
 
Ski said:
I agree. My only real issue with any of it is the use of hyperbole to influence political agendas. The truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth would be amazing but that seems like too much to ask.
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Are you saying the media is lying to us or they have a political agenda, depending on who hands out the most money? No possible way. 😂
 
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Coker said:
Are you saying the media is lying to us or they have a political agenda, depending on who ends out the most money? No possible way. 😂
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I'm gonna say it again.
The climate is changing. It has changed many many times since creation and will continue to change regardless of how much the crooked politicians tax the peasants, and continue to lie to us. The poles have changed over 450 times since creation and they will also continue to change as you see the declination of "true north" keeps going further south.
You will either "ADAPT, IMPROVISE, and OVERCOME", or like the dinosaur become extinct.
Quite frankly, we will see Armageddon before that happens! So get your life in order.
 
DeerCamp said:
In my younger days, I worked in a pharmacology lab at UT Health Science Center. We were doing some really interesting published research on cocaine addiction as well as some novel cancer cell data.

I can say without question that this is correct. We published good data, but it would not be hard at all to selectively use data in that setting that supports what you want to show (i.e. get more funding)
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Have you ever taken at look at the work of Svante Arrhenius and Eunice Foote?
 
BSK said:
Valid points all Ski. We only have very detailed data about our climate and oceans going back about 50 years. But what about cyclic patterns that occur over hundreds if not thousands of years? We have no idea about those other than just anecdotal information, such as the Roman Warm Period and the Medieval Warm Period.

Disagreements in science are not only normal, they are how science works. I cannot emphasize this enough. Science is about collecting facts and then testing hypotheses about what the facts mean. Then the scientist publishes his/her ideas and presents all of the data to the scientific community for others to test to see if they come to the same conclusions. The process works because everyone else gets to poke holes in the theories of others. Critical analysis is the cornerstone of science. However, we have recently moved into a "new" (and disastrous) form of "science." When you have "scientists" (read political/social activists masquerading as scientists) hiding the data, or even worse, altering the data so it comes out the way they want it to, science is officially dead. And that's where we're at.
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The science goes back a bit longer, with most of it being during the 1800's. This study in 1896 put together the work to that point as far as the relationship of carbon in the atmosphere and temperature on the ground. https://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf Data collected prior to and thereafter confirmed the relationship. Here's an excerpt from 1949 discussing the prior 80 years data confirming the correlation. https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/j.1477-8696.1949.tb00952.x There wasn't really much controversy at all until more recent years of our lifetimes other than the occasional paper challenging the status quo, like the guys in the 70s claiming an imminent ice age. Then some folks wanted to do something about it which invoked policymaking, and here we are now with it being a political issue rather than a scientific one. And, while its easy to admit the obvious fearmongering of doomsayers, it seems no one can envision that the folks that don't want this correlation between carbon and heat to exist are "political/social activists masquerading as scientists." Isn't that odd? If I deny the correlation, I'm inherently free of any ulterior motives. Yet, if I stand on a body of work going back nearly 190 years, notwithstanding the recent years sullied by politics, I must only do so because I'm a political activist. Either way, the ship has likely sailed, and our opinions are pretty much irrelevant outside of motivating voters. But its certainly interesting from a sociological perspective how we got to this point.
 
BSK said:
Possible, but the warming of the oceans is a global phenomenon that has been going on for about 30 years. And the biggest player in the world's climate - the Pacific Ocean - is where some of the craziest increases in water temperature are occurring. Now, VERY warm water is being transported north by the Japanese Current all the way up to the Bering Strait. That is not normal at all.
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