Idiot public land hunters(Yanahli)

[buckhorn40]

 

[Grizzly Johnson]

It amazes me how much finger pointing there is on here.

Yes...yes there is isn't there....and it started with the original thread....

Somebody took a shot a you, what would you have to say?


Suppose you used a gobbler decoy on public land and was working a bird. Another hunter starts calling and you know he is there. Bird is gobbling very close and could appear any minute, hunter is sneaking up on your position (is now the time to jump up and holler "hey I am hunting over here, stay back"). He sees your decoy and fires.... shot pelts around the bushes you are sitting in.

What say you? Same issue..... SAFETY & knowing your target BEFORE you pull that trigger. Hunting public land has it's disadvantages along with advantages at times...... main thing is no one got hurt....this time.

I'm done debating in this thread, I won't be brought down any lower....

 

[Setterman]

The problem is very obvious---you refer to it as "your spot", sorry to inform you but it is not "your spot". It is just as much my spot as it is yours, and just as much the other guys as it is yours. We all have contributed $$$ to make that land public, so it belongs to us.

Who cares if you have hunted it for years, that matters for nothing. It is everyones spot, that is what you fail to realize.

This situation is your fault, you clearly stated that you heard the other guy calling, and rather then leave when he had beat you there this morning, you stuck it out and tried to rathole the bird out from under him. Not cool at all, and definitely a display of pitiful etiquette.

You cut him off according to what you say, by getting between him and the bird. A very dangerous situation, and one which could have been easily avoided if a little common sense and common freaking courtesy had been used.

You are at fault, not the other guy.

Plus I sit down less than a 100yds from the turkey on roost an the other fella is 200yds or better?

That doesn't matter, that only means you cut the other hunter off. You clearly stated you heard him calling, with that you should have gotten up and left. But then again that would have been the smart and courteous thing to do.

Now Setter Man, you are conflicting your own replies..... in one reply you say the spot isn't Black Clouds and then you refer to the turkey being the other hunters because he was there first..... so which is it, is the land/turkeys everyones or not? Public land is public land, it's not always give and take..... if you get the chance at a bird, you better take it. Safety should always be first when you pull a trigger.

A vehicle is sitting on the side of the road, how should another hunter know where they set up.....Do we go around hollering through the woods trying to locate the other hunter to see where they will be hunting? Black Cloud roosted the bird the day before, then he returned to the spot and set up. He clearly stated the other guy was calling from a farther distance away to begin with. How is that B.C. cutting him off? Given the situation I might have moved on the bird to try to get a shot before the other hunter spooked him.... probably by whatever means I felt necessary.

I hunt public land sometimes and I also hunt semi-public lands. Either one, if I hear a bird gobbling I will be moving on him. If I see or hear another hunter working him, I will yield. If I don't and that bird comes to me and presents a shot, you better believe I will take a shot...... then if so-in-so comes out and says blah, blah, blah, well that is hunting public land and he came to me first.

I am confused is the title of this thread about you?

The other guy was there first, according to you, he was clearly set up before YOU on the gobbling bird. I can't believe I actually read what I did, the only person who should be mad is the other guy for you almost ruining his life and his sons by killing you.

Who cares if the guy was a bad hunter, or bad caller. That doesn't give you the right to encroach on his bird, then try to bushwhack it out from under him.

All I hunt is public land, and the way I see this one, is there is only one idiot in this equation. And it isn't the guy who shot at a turkey not knowing _ _ _ _ _ was sneaking the same bird, knowing the whole time that another was working that bird.

Sad, pathetic, and truly unbelievable!!!

YOU ARE WRONG!!!! If that boy had killed or hurt B.C. the ones to blame would be the trigger man for not knowing his target.... then his dads for not paying better attention in what his son was shooting at.


It amazes me how much finger pointing there is on here. In fact I would almost wager how many of the "perfect" hunters on here are more hypocrites than not. Only the hunter, in that moment, know what he or she will do. For others to say this or that, what they should or should not be doing is really not for their deciding. If they are hunting by the law, it's their business how they go about it.

With my own issues in the past, this is just another reason for myself and some others to post or visit the site even less..... it's just getting to be too pathetic!!!

On public land the proper thing to do if another person is set up on a bird is to move on. That is what most respectful hunters would do.

I do not the area where he hunted, but for where I am, if a person is parked in an area, gate, or road, etc etc. Then the proper and respectful thing to do is to move on, why go into an area where you know you have company? Like I said I don't this place at all, so it may be a one way in, one way out scenario. Based on what I do know about public lands here, I find it hard to believe this was the only place on the land to park/hunt.

So from the get go, blackcloud could have been pushing the edges of respect. But I am drawing that only from experience on our WMA's from this side of the state.

IT is simple freaking respect. Just because the turkeys belong to God first, and the state/public second, doesn't mean that we have the right to barge in on another person for whatever reason we see fit. I damn sure know that most on here would be livid if another hunter barged in and cut them off on a bird, so we ought to teach and give people respect. No matter what the circumstances are.

Your take is so twisted about moving on birds even if you know someone else is working them, that is really really disturbing. Do you not have any shred of respect for your fellow hunters? There are tons of turkeys anymore, and battling over the same birds is just not necessary and shows an incredible lack of respect for other people. It is a very selfish approach to this sport.

Sure it is public land and there is nothing illegal about cutting another person off. But being courteous and respectful should be first and foremost. However, from your words, that seems an unlikely path for you to choose.

In this part of the state, cutting someone off will get you killed, put in the hospital, or walking home. These mtn folks aren't nearly as tolerant of inconsiderate jackarses who have an entitlement attitude.

So, the other guy not knowing that another fully camoed hunter was belly crawling in on the turkey would be to blame for blackcloud putting himself in a very dangerous position to begin with. BS!!

According to your logic, if I was set-up on a bird, you come along decide screw it, I know Setterman is working that bird, but I am going to sneak up from behind to kill it before he does. Meanwhile the bird has closed to gun range for me, I shoot at the bird, never knowing you are there, and incidentally hit you, who are completely concealed, then it is my fault. Seriously? I understand the knowing your target, but stop and think about what you are saying.

Go ahead with your rant about the forum, but the bottom line is that black cloud crossed 2 major lines IMO. First he crowded another hunter, because he felt that the other hunter was on "his bird", then did an incredibly dangerous thing which was to try and sneak a bird knowing another hunter was there and getting closer. Then is mad about almost getting shot, and calling the other hunter an idiot. Hmmm.....

 

[Setterman]

It amazes me how much finger pointing there is on here.

Yes...yes there is isn't there....and it started with the original thread....

Somebody took a shot a you, what would you have to say?


Suppose you used a gobbler decoy on public land and was working a bird. Another hunter starts calling and you know he is there. Bird is gobbling very close and could appear any minute, hunter is sneaking up on your position (is now the time to jump up and holler "hey I am hunting over here, stay back"). He sees your decoy and fires.... shot pelts around the bushes you are sitting in.

What say you? Same issue..... SAFETY & knowing your target BEFORE you pull that trigger. Hunting public land has it's disadvantages along with advantages at times...... main thing is no one got hurt....this time.

I'm done debating in this thread, I won't be brought down any lower....

Well first off, I wouldn't have put myself in the position that blackcloud did this morning, which would mean that I hopefully wouldn't be shot at in the first place.

If I have to ruin a hunt, to keep from getting shot then fine. There is always another day, and at the end of that day it is just a turkey, not worth dying over.

Respect for others is what this all boils down to.

 

[RAFI]

grizzly is a good guy and a lot more respectful than you.I am so sick of you.You almost ruined this site before and are well on your way to running it into the ground again.alot of us are sick of being talked down to by you.thats all i have to say.im not going to argue with you it does no good.I just hate to see you talk like that grizzly and others on here that are good people.

 

[Setterman]

grizzly is a good guy and a lot more respectful than you.I am so sick of you.You almost ruined this site before and are well on your way to running it into the ground again.alot of us are sick of being talked down to by you.thats all i have to say.im not going to argue with you it does no good.I just hate to see you talk like that grizzly and others on here that are good people.

I don't have any basis to say whether he is a good guy or a bad guy, and really do not wish to take things to a personal level. That is not the purpose of this forum, or the purpose of this topic IMO. I personally do not have any issues with any individuals on this forum, unlike you, who just are beside yourself with some sort of deep seeded inner issues. I have to say it is a little bizarre.

Just because I disagree with Grizzly's opinion does not mean I have formed any basis to decide what kind of person he is or isn't. I also would never judge a person based on what they might say opinion wise on a forum. That is childish, I bet blackcloud is a fine person, and made a simple mistake, it happens. I would say Grizzly is a great guy as well. I have no reason to think any different, nor am I going to let a few typed words make up my mind.

H*ll, I disagree with my best friends daily, and they disagree with me daily. Guess what, at the end of the day it is a simple difference of opinion. Nothing more.

If you feel like you are being talked down to, then stand up, and offer your opinion. But whining is not going to add anything to the discussion.

 

[Setterman]

Grizzly,

I promise I have no personal issues with you, please understand I am not trying to talk down to you despite the fact I hurt RAFI's feelings in my responses. I only wish to understand your thoughts on this, please feel free to chime in, I won't bite.

 

[RAFI]

grizzly is a good guy and a lot more respectful than you.I am so sick of you.You almost ruined this site before and are well on your way to running it into the ground again.alot of us are sick of being talked down to by you.thats all i have to say.im not going to argue with you it does no good.I just hate to see you talk like that grizzly and others on here that are good people.

I don't have any basis to say whether he is a good guy or a bad guy, and really do not wish to take things to a personal level. That is not the purpose of this forum, or the purpose of this topic IMO. I personally do not have any issues with any individuals on this forum, unlike you, who just are beside yourself with some sort of deep seeded inner issues. I have to say it is a little bizarre.

Just because I disagree with Grizzly's opinion does not mean I have formed any basis to decide what kind of person he is or isn't. I also would never judge a person based on what they might say opinion wise on a forum. That is childish, I bet blackcloud is a fine person, and made a simple mistake, it happens. I would say Grizzly is a great guy as well. I have no reason to think any different, nor am I going to let a few typed words make up my mind.

H*ll, I disagree with my best friends daily, and they disagree with me daily. Guess what, at the end of the day it is a simple difference of opinion. Nothing more.

If you feel like you are being talked down to, then stand up, and offer your opinion. But whining is not going to add anything to the discussion.

ok then.i guess i misunderstood when you called him selfish and other things.You just talk to people like they are crap and then turn it around on the other person when they call you on it.i should have said nothing.

 

[Setterman]

grizzly is a good guy and a lot more respectful than you.I am so sick of you.You almost ruined this site before and are well on your way to running it into the ground again.alot of us are sick of being talked down to by you.thats all i have to say.im not going to argue with you it does no good.I just hate to see you talk like that grizzly and others on here that are good people.

I don't have any basis to say whether he is a good guy or a bad guy, and really do not wish to take things to a personal level. That is not the purpose of this forum, or the purpose of this topic IMO. I personally do not have any issues with any individuals on this forum, unlike you, who just are beside yourself with some sort of deep seeded inner issues. I have to say it is a little bizarre.

Just because I disagree with Grizzly's opinion does not mean I have formed any basis to decide what kind of person he is or isn't. I also would never judge a person based on what they might say opinion wise on a forum. That is childish, I bet blackcloud is a fine person, and made a simple mistake, it happens. I would say Grizzly is a great guy as well. I have no reason to think any different, nor am I going to let a few typed words make up my mind.

H*ll, I disagree with my best friends daily, and they disagree with me daily. Guess what, at the end of the day it is a simple difference of opinion. Nothing more.

If you feel like you are being talked down to, then stand up, and offer your opinion. But whining is not going to add anything to the discussion.

ok then.i guess i misunderstood when you called him selfish and other things.You just talk to people like they are crap and then turn it around on the other person when they call you on it.i should have said nothing.

"Your take is so twisted about moving on birds even if you know someone else is working them, that is really really disturbing. Do you not have any shred of respect for your fellow hunters? There are tons of turkeys anymore, and battling over the same birds is just not necessary and shows an incredible lack of respect for other people. It is a very selfish approach to this sport.

Sure it is public land and there is nothing illegal about cutting another person off. But being courteous and respectful should be first and foremost. However, from your words, that seems an unlikely path for you to choose. "

The above was totally out of line, and for that I apologize. You are right about those words, they are not helpful nor do they add anything to the discussion.

 

[farmin68]

Since you're ignoring the responses to the same thread on the general forum, I brought my response over here.

That was very hard to read.

Common sense???! You knew another hunter (probably a inexperienced one judging by his calling skills) was in the woods, turkey is gobbling, you're in full camo, and you decide to put a stalk on a gobbler. That's nuts. You risked your own life over a turkey and you're only seeing fault in the other hunter?
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[Grizzly Johnson]

I hunt public land sometimes and I also hunt semi-public lands. Either one, if I hear a bird gobbling I will be moving on him. If I see or hear another hunter working him, I will yield. If I don't and that bird comes to me and presents a shot, you better believe I will take a shot...... then if so-in-so comes out and says blah, blah, blah, well that is hunting public land and he came to me first.

What part of that BOLD statement is selfish?

I am not condoning what Black Cloud did, but I am not condemning him either. He could have done things differently, but I am sure that's true of all of us at one time or another. Several different factors in this equation and at best the blame should be spread around. Life lesson learned..... lets move on.

I try to hunt safe as possible at all times. I will also do what I feel is necessary if I think I can seal the deal. I am probably one of the nicest, most respectful, safest hunter/person you could ever know. My friends and fellow hunters I have hunted with on here can attest to you or anyone else of that!! I won't pass judgment on anyone unless they have wronged me first.....


I have said all I will say now for sure....on this thread. Thanks for sharing.

Oh, I don't park by other vehicles when I hunt on public/semi public land, just for the reason of I don't want to run into the person driving it and mess up his or my hunting..... now if we speak and know where each of us are going, well that's a different situation..... that's how I roll.

 

[TN RDG RNR]

I believe pointing out where someone may have made a unwise choice when it comes to firearms safety is a good thing and something we should always do. Anyone that has hunted long enough knows how easy it is to get caught up in the moment and do things we normally wouldn't. Black Cloud is a grown man and he can take the advice or leave it, that's his business.

Set aside, what is legal or not, and the argument whether turkey hunting etiquette was displayed.. Whatever that might be...don't let your guard down. I wouldn't get caught up on the public land thing either guns will kill you on private land as well and hunters get complacent thinking they are safer on private land and make mistakes too.

Bottom Line. Dead is DEAD! At that point fault means nothing to you.

 

[bvoss]

You got beat to the spot. When it comes to public land never, never try to sneak in on a bird. The only birds I kill on public land are the ones that come to me! I do change set ups. But changing set ups and putting the sneak on a public land bird are two different things. It's not worth it. Live to hunt another day. I'd say the only thing that guy did wrong was take too long of a shot, and not completely identify the background. I'm sure it was frustrating, not denying that part, but wasn't a good idea to hunt elbow to elbow with a guy who was already there, and definitely not a good idea to sneak in on a bird that you KNOW another guy is working. Thats my 2 cents.

 

[bvoss]

I was sent up on a bird at Yanahli around the first of the season. I was in there early. First one there. He was hammering on the roost, I was going to wait for him to get to gobbling good before I worked him too much. He had already responded to my tree yelps. Next thing I know I hear some guy blow a freakin owl hooter right under the birds. Then he starts squawkin away on his mouth call. The birds busted off of the roost and flew away from both of us. Yet another case of a hunter disrespectfully comming in on a guy who beat him to a spot. If we'd all find another spot when someone beats you to it the public hunting land world would be a better ( and safer) place.

 

[TurkeyBurd]

Setterman(Hook) apologized to someone?

The planets have aligned, fireworks are going off, lets all drink a toast.

I knew he couldnt be that shrewd all the time.

We have turned a new page on TNDeer.

Party on!!!

 

[Setterman]

Setterman(Hook) apologized to someone?

The planets have aligned, fireworks are going off, lets all drink a toast.

I knew he couldnt be that shrewd all the time.

We have turned a new page on TNDeer.

Party on!!!

Hey RAFI legitimately called me on something, and it was absolutely over the line and a place I should not have gone. It was totally unnecessary, and did not add anything to the discussion.

 

[TheLBLman]

To err is human.
We all make mistakes.
Best thing is we can learn a lot from other people's, and may not have to make all of them ourselves.

Personally, I don't see that any one person made a larger mistake than any other, regarding what happened. Bad idea to stalk a turkey on public land (or private land) when you know other hunters are within a few hundred yards and you're not in communication. And it appears both the shooter and the almost shot, i.e. everyone involved knew other hunters were in the area.

Everyone was in camo, and anyone could have shot someone, since no one knew where each other was located. If we expect a turkey to not see us, then we shouldn't be surprised that another hunter doesn't either.

And just my opinion, but turkey decoys have great potential to make turkey hunting much more dangerous, especially on public land.

 

[spitndrum]

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[WRbowhunter]

very scary stuff. Lessons in this scenario for all of us. without knowing the spot hard to say if he cut the other hunter off or not. Just because you pull into a parking spot first does not mean you "called" the whole woods. Especially if its a large piece of land.On the other hand if its only a few acres of land and the other guy was there first then he should have moved on. The other guy most likley never knew there was another hunter in the woods. Bad decision was to take a shot just because something moved. Other bad decision was crawling when you know someone else is around.Both bad decisions. Glad everyone got to go home to their families.

 

[rem270]

amazing how a post can turn into this :crazy: