Looky what I found...

[Setterman]

2 weeks is a good bet, the ones I saw today were probably 3 weeks old which is utterly shocking to someone like me who has spent years monitoring nests, and turkeys to try and get an accurate gauge as to hatch dates.

I said a few weeks ago it was almost impossible to have birds hatching before the end of April. Well today shot that theory, and the opinions of a bunch of other folks like me.

Nature is a funny fickle thing, and certainly throws curve balls every now and then. I could have gotten pictures of the first clutch of older birds, but they were pretty nervous and I didn't want to stress them anymore than I already had.

Well I guess the ones that "didn't have picture proof" could have been right all along then huh.... Not everyone has to have a degree, college education, or be a biologist to know what they were talking about.

I believe some apologies are in order as well. If nothing more than to acknowledge they may have been correct after all.

Reminds me of a story once told by an older man with a High School and real-world experience education.... was being told something by a College Educated fellow that thought he knew all because the "books" said so.... Well the older man proved his point and wound up a costly mistake for the "educated" fellow.... Older guy said to use that piece of paper, with "degree" printed on it as toilet paper next time he had to go.

Guess what, my learning didn't come from books it came from actual work in the field.

And guess what when I see pics I will apologize. It was certainly easy enough for me to snap a pic as well as several others I have seen around the last few days.

No proof, no apology.

As I said then, anything is possible, go back and read. Anything is possible but without some sort of proof I will always be skeptical. There are so many people pushing agendas on these forums anymore that without hard evidence I question everything. Sorry, just my nature.

So the moral to this story is you can be who want to be on the internet I am thinking about reinventing myself,but educated arm chair biologist is already taken.Dang!

You really want to grab this bull by the horns?

Armchair biologist? I guess big game guy is an arm chair biologist as well, as well as me who has numerous degrees, done hundreds of scientific studies, and professionally manages close to 100,000 acres of private land holdings for wildlife.

What do you know, learned something today.

 

[catman529]

100,000 acres and you hunt mostly public land? Just curious about that - do you prefer public land hunting over private?

 

[timberjack86]

2 weeks is a good bet, the ones I saw today were probably 3 weeks old which is utterly shocking to someone like me who has spent years monitoring nests, and turkeys to try and get an accurate gauge as to hatch dates.

I said a few weeks ago it was almost impossible to have birds hatching before the end of April. Well today shot that theory, and the opinions of a bunch of other folks like me.

Nature is a funny fickle thing, and certainly throws curve balls every now and then. I could have gotten pictures of the first clutch of older birds, but they were pretty nervous and I didn't want to stress them anymore than I already had.

Well I guess the ones that "didn't have picture proof" could have been right all along then huh.... Not everyone has to have a degree, college education, or be a biologist to know what they were talking about.

I believe some apologies are in order as well. If nothing more than to acknowledge they may have been correct after all.

Reminds me of a story once told by an older man with a High School and real-world experience education.... was being told something by a College Educated fellow that thought he knew all because the "books" said so.... Well the older man proved his point and wound up a costly mistake for the "educated" fellow.... Older guy said to use that piece of paper, with "degree" printed on it as toilet paper next time he had to go.

Guess what, my learning didn't come from books it came from actual work in the field.

And guess what when I see pics I will apologize. It was certainly easy enough for me to snap a pic as well as several others I have seen around the last few days.

No proof, no apology.

As I said then, anything is possible, go back and read. Anything is possible but without some sort of proof I will always be skeptical. There are so many people pushing agendas on these forums anymore that without hard evidence I question everything. Sorry, just my nature.

So the moral to this story is you can be who want to be on the internet I am thinking about reinventing myself,but educated arm chair biologist is already taken.Dang!

You really want to grab this bull by the horns?

Armchair biologist? I guess big game guy is an arm chair biologist as well, as well as me who has numerous degrees, done hundreds of scientific studies, and professionally manages close to 100,000 acres of private land holdings for wildlife.

What do you know, learned something today.

Haha We all know who big game guy is! You on the other hand I have no idea who you are and really could care less! For all we know you could be 45 still living at home with mama on welfare.Anyway when you come to a public talk forum acting like you know everything and your opinion is the only one that matters you can expect some backlash.

 

[Setterman]

100,000 acres and you hunt mostly public land? Just curious about that - do you prefer public land hunting over private?

I don't own or have access to that land, it is owned by clients. I have hunted some of the tracts over the years, but generally keep business separate from personal life. Plus it is all out of state for the most part. We own just shy of 5,000 acres back home, and I do hunt it though.

I love hunting public land here in tn we are blessed with great public land and I enjoy it.

 

[Setterman]

2 weeks is a good bet, the ones I saw today were probably 3 weeks old which is utterly shocking to someone like me who has spent years monitoring nests, and turkeys to try and get an accurate gauge as to hatch dates.

I said a few weeks ago it was almost impossible to have birds hatching before the end of April. Well today shot that theory, and the opinions of a bunch of other folks like me.

Nature is a funny fickle thing, and certainly throws curve balls every now and then. I could have gotten pictures of the first clutch of older birds, but they were pretty nervous and I didn't want to stress them anymore than I already had.

Well I guess the ones that "didn't have picture proof" could have been right all along then huh.... Not everyone has to have a degree, college education, or be a biologist to know what they were talking about.

I believe some apologies are in order as well. If nothing more than to acknowledge they may have been correct after all.

Reminds me of a story once told by an older man with a High School and real-world experience education.... was being told something by a College Educated fellow that thought he knew all because the "books" said so.... Well the older man proved his point and wound up a costly mistake for the "educated" fellow.... Older guy said to use that piece of paper, with "degree" printed on it as toilet paper next time he had to go.

Guess what, my learning didn't come from books it came from actual work in the field.

And guess what when I see pics I will apologize. It was certainly easy enough for me to snap a pic as well as several others I have seen around the last few days.

No proof, no apology.

As I said then, anything is possible, go back and read. Anything is possible but without some sort of proof I will always be skeptical. There are so many people pushing agendas on these forums anymore that without hard evidence I question everything. Sorry, just my nature.

So the moral to this story is you can be who want to be on the internet I am thinking about reinventing myself,but educated arm chair biologist is already taken.Dang!

You really want to grab this bull by the horns?

Armchair biologist? I guess big game guy is an arm chair biologist as well, as well as me who has numerous degrees, done hundreds of scientific studies, and professionally manages close to 100,000 acres of private land holdings for wildlife.

What do you know, learned something today.

Haha We all know who big game guy is! You on the other hand I have no idea who you are and really could care less! For all we know you could be 45 still living at home with mama on welfare.Anyway when you come to a public talk forum acting like you know everything and your opinion is the only one that matters you can expect some backlash.

My opinion certainly isn't the only one that matters.

However, and I have dealt with plenty of folks like you over the years who ask for advice and when given advice just want to argue because you have a set of ideas that you believe and no matter what won't listen. Even when the other person probably is trying to help and has an incredible depth of knowledge.

I assure you I am not 45, and certainly don't live in anyone's basement. Whatever you wish to believe or feel is up to you, but in the words of BSK you just might learn something if you open your ears.

 

[Grizzly Johnson]

2 weeks is a good bet, the ones I saw today were probably 3 weeks old which is utterly shocking to someone like me who has spent years monitoring nests, and turkeys to try and get an accurate gauge as to hatch dates.

I said a few weeks ago it was almost impossible to have birds hatching before the end of April. Well today shot that theory, and the opinions of a bunch of other folks like me.

Nature is a funny fickle thing, and certainly throws curve balls every now and then. I could have gotten pictures of the first clutch of older birds, but they were pretty nervous and I didn't want to stress them anymore than I already had.

Well I guess the ones that "didn't have picture proof" could have been right all along then huh.... Not everyone has to have a degree, college education, or be a biologist to know what they were talking about.

I believe some apologies are in order as well. If nothing more than to acknowledge they may have been correct after all.

Reminds me of a story once told by an older man with a High School and real-world experience education.... was being told something by a College Educated fellow that thought he knew all because the "books" said so.... Well the older man proved his point and wound up a costly mistake for the "educated" fellow.... Older guy said to use that piece of paper, with "degree" printed on it as toilet paper next time he had to go.

Guess what, my learning didn't come from books it came from actual work in the field.

And guess what when I see pics I will apologize. It was certainly easy enough for me to snap a pic as well as several others I have seen around the last few days.

No proof, no apology.

As I said then, anything is possible, go back and read. Anything is possible but without some sort of proof I will always be skeptical. There are so many people pushing agendas on these forums anymore that without hard evidence I question everything. Sorry, just my nature.

Well my reference story was not meant to be saying anything about you or anyone else in any way....


But in real life, nature can and does trump all.

 

[timberjack86]

2 weeks is a good bet, the ones I saw today were probably 3 weeks old which is utterly shocking to someone like me who has spent years monitoring nests, and turkeys to try and get an accurate gauge as to hatch dates.

I said a few weeks ago it was almost impossible to have birds hatching before the end of April. Well today shot that theory, and the opinions of a bunch of other folks like me.

Nature is a funny fickle thing, and certainly throws curve balls every now and then. I could have gotten pictures of the first clutch of older birds, but they were pretty nervous and I didn't want to stress them anymore than I already had.

Well I guess the ones that "didn't have picture proof" could have been right all along then huh.... Not everyone has to have a degree, college education, or be a biologist to know what they were talking about.

I believe some apologies are in order as well. If nothing more than to acknowledge they may have been correct after all.

Reminds me of a story once told by an older man with a High School and real-world experience education.... was being told something by a College Educated fellow that thought he knew all because the "books" said so.... Well the older man proved his point and wound up a costly mistake for the "educated" fellow.... Older guy said to use that piece of paper, with "degree" printed on it as toilet paper next time he had to go.

Guess what, my learning didn't come from books it came from actual work in the field.

And guess what when I see pics I will apologize. It was certainly easy enough for me to snap a pic as well as several others I have seen around the last few days.

No proof, no apology.

As I said then, anything is possible, go back and read. Anything is possible but without some sort of proof I will always be skeptical. There are so many people pushing agendas on these forums anymore that without hard evidence I question everything. Sorry, just my nature.

So the moral to this story is you can be who want to be on the internet I am thinking about reinventing myself,but educated arm chair biologist is already taken.Dang!

You really want to grab this bull by the horns?

Armchair biologist? I guess big game guy is an arm chair biologist as well, as well as me who has numerous degrees, done hundreds of scientific studies, and professionally manages close to 100,000 acres of private land holdings for wildlife.

What do you know, learned something today.

Haha We all know who big game guy is! You on the other hand I have no idea who you are and really could care less! For all we know you could be 45 still living at home with mama on welfare.Anyway when you come to a public talk forum acting like you know everything and your opinion is the only one that matters you can expect some backlash.

My opinion certainly isn't the only one that matters.

However, and I have dealt with plenty of folks like you over the years who ask for advice and when given advice just want to argue because you have a set of ideas that you believe and no matter what won't listen. Even when the other person probably is trying to help and has an incredible depth of knowledge.

I assure you I am not 45, and certainly don't live in anyone's basement. Whatever you wish to believe or feel is up to you, but in the words of BSK you just might learn something if you open your ears.

Well let me assure you, The only thing you seem to offer is your opinion that your right and everyone else is wrong.Seems to me the only thing I have learned from you is how to get an ego boost.If thats the only thing you can offer I dont blame anyone for not opening there ears when you speak.

 

[Setterman]

2 weeks is a good bet, the ones I saw today were probably 3 weeks old which is utterly shocking to someone like me who has spent years monitoring nests, and turkeys to try and get an accurate gauge as to hatch dates.

I said a few weeks ago it was almost impossible to have birds hatching before the end of April. Well today shot that theory, and the opinions of a bunch of other folks like me.

Nature is a funny fickle thing, and certainly throws curve balls every now and then. I could have gotten pictures of the first clutch of older birds, but they were pretty nervous and I didn't want to stress them anymore than I already had.

Well I guess the ones that "didn't have picture proof" could have been right all along then huh.... Not everyone has to have a degree, college education, or be a biologist to know what they were talking about.

I believe some apologies are in order as well. If nothing more than to acknowledge they may have been correct after all.

Reminds me of a story once told by an older man with a High School and real-world experience education.... was being told something by a College Educated fellow that thought he knew all because the "books" said so.... Well the older man proved his point and wound up a costly mistake for the "educated" fellow.... Older guy said to use that piece of paper, with "degree" printed on it as toilet paper next time he had to go.

Guess what, my learning didn't come from books it came from actual work in the field.

And guess what when I see pics I will apologize. It was certainly easy enough for me to snap a pic as well as several others I have seen around the last few days.

No proof, no apology.

As I said then, anything is possible, go back and read. Anything is possible but without some sort of proof I will always be skeptical. There are so many people pushing agendas on these forums anymore that without hard evidence I question everything. Sorry, just my nature.

Well my reference story was not meant to be saying anything about you or anyone else in any way....


But in real life, nature can and does trump all.

Absolutely agree, I see things often which go against the grain.

 

[Setterman]

2 weeks is a good bet, the ones I saw today were probably 3 weeks old which is utterly shocking to someone like me who has spent years monitoring nests, and turkeys to try and get an accurate gauge as to hatch dates.

I said a few weeks ago it was almost impossible to have birds hatching before the end of April. Well today shot that theory, and the opinions of a bunch of other folks like me.

Nature is a funny fickle thing, and certainly throws curve balls every now and then. I could have gotten pictures of the first clutch of older birds, but they were pretty nervous and I didn't want to stress them anymore than I already had.

Well I guess the ones that "didn't have picture proof" could have been right all along then huh.... Not everyone has to have a degree, college education, or be a biologist to know what they were talking about.

I believe some apologies are in order as well. If nothing more than to acknowledge they may have been correct after all.

Reminds me of a story once told by an older man with a High School and real-world experience education.... was being told something by a College Educated fellow that thought he knew all because the "books" said so.... Well the older man proved his point and wound up a costly mistake for the "educated" fellow.... Older guy said to use that piece of paper, with "degree" printed on it as toilet paper next time he had to go.

Guess what, my learning didn't come from books it came from actual work in the field.

And guess what when I see pics I will apologize. It was certainly easy enough for me to snap a pic as well as several others I have seen around the last few days.

No proof, no apology.

As I said then, anything is possible, go back and read. Anything is possible but without some sort of proof I will always be skeptical. There are so many people pushing agendas on these forums anymore that without hard evidence I question everything. Sorry, just my nature.

So the moral to this story is you can be who want to be on the internet I am thinking about reinventing myself,but educated arm chair biologist is already taken.Dang!

You really want to grab this bull by the horns?

Armchair biologist? I guess big game guy is an arm chair biologist as well, as well as me who has numerous degrees, done hundreds of scientific studies, and professionally manages close to 100,000 acres of private land holdings for wildlife.

What do you know, learned something today.

Haha We all know who big game guy is! You on the other hand I have no idea who you are and really could care less! For all we know you could be 45 still living at home with mama on welfare.Anyway when you come to a public talk forum acting like you know everything and your opinion is the only one that matters you can expect some backlash.

My opinion certainly isn't the only one that matters.

However, and I have dealt with plenty of folks like you over the years who ask for advice and when given advice just want to argue because you have a set of ideas that you believe and no matter what won't listen. Even when the other person probably is trying to help and has an incredible depth of knowledge.

I assure you I am not 45, and certainly don't live in anyone's basement. Whatever you wish to believe or feel is up to you, but in the words of BSK you just might learn something if you open your ears.

Well let me assure you, The only thing you seem to offer is your opinion that your right and everyone else is wrong.Seems to me the only thing I have learned from you is how to get an ego boost.If thats the only thing you can offer I dont blame anyone for not opening there ears when you speak.

If you were right than I would post pictures of every giant deer I have killed, and every turkey, fish etc etc. However, I am not out for any ego stroking, could give two rips what folks think of me honestly.

I am just not going to let uneducated drivel regarding turkeys to be spewed without correcting the mistatements.

If it makes you feel better to stomp your feet and scream in protest have at it.

There are plenty of others who think just like you, and think that a few days hunting each year makes you wise. Which couldn't be further from reality.

 

[FARMTOFIELD]

I swear Some people try to find crap to argue about.

 

[Setterman]

I swear Some people try to find crap to argue about.

Agree, and unfortunately I will stoop to that level nd have probably done a fair share in my life as well.

I could and should have refrained from posting the picture, then this argument wouldn't have happened. And this is the exact reason I rarely if ever post pictures

 

[timberjack86]

[/quote]setterman

If you were right than I would post pictures of every giant deer I have killed, and every turkey, fish etc etc. However, I am not out for any ego stroking, could give two rips what folks think of me honestly.

I am just not going to let uneducated drivel regarding turkeys to be spewed without correcting the mistatements.

If it makes you feel better to stomp your feet and scream in protest have at it.

There are plenty of others who think just like you, and think that a few days hunting each year makes you wise. Which couldn't be further from reality.

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[*] There you go again,proclaiming your intelligence over everyone else.How do you know how many days I spend hunting?I am done with this useless dribble. But I do have a question to ask before I go. How many turkey have you missed in you lifetime?

 

[Grizzly Johnson]

I could and should have refrained from posting the picture, then this argument wouldn't have happened. And this is the exact reason I rarely if ever post pictures

But I am glad you did, as it is proof positive, that things got started way earlier this spring than in years past.

 

[Setterman]

I could and should have refrained from posting the picture, then this argument wouldn't have happened. And this is the exact reason I rarely if ever post pictures

But I am glad you did, as it is proof positive, that things got started way earlier this spring than in years past.

This was the weirdest year I have ever had, I am still confused by the behavior I witnessed the past 7 weeks.

All I know is that I hope next year it is nothing like this past winter/early spring.

 

[Setterman]

Guess what, my learning didn't come from books it came from actual work in the field.

Armchair biologist? I guess big game guy is an arm chair biologist as well, as well as me who has numerous degrees, done hundreds of scientific studies, and professionally manages close to 100,000 acres of private land holdings for wildlife.

Your so full of crap! I bet the grass grows greener every where you walk!! LOL,... You have got to be one the most delusional narcissistic and biggest pathalogicl liars that has EVER been on this site in my opinion.... :grin:

but don't mind me doctor,...I'm just passin thru!!
and remember,...you have a major deer study that is coming to fruitation in the pretty near future. Don't forget the pics on that one ok...

You think posting the gay smiley things will let you make personal attacks at will? Guess so, and I will for once rise above your level. Send me a PM and we can handle this off the open forum, unless you are too timid to actually do something out of the public eye.

 

[Setterman]

Hey I gave my opinion...I reckon I'm intitled to aint I ?....

Sure, I am sure that makes your life complete. Based on the above I would say life is pretty depressing around the trailer park.

 

[RAFI]

hook i dont have a bio degree like you but didnt i tell you a few years ago that the 4 turkey limit wasnt the prob with the lower harvest and that twra wasnt complete idiots compared to kentucky when it involved deer?seems i was right on both of those.i tried to stay out of this poult debate.but hey I respect that you later admit you were wrong but like Ive told you before sometimes you should listen to people on here when they speak rather than your own self all the time

 

[catman529]

100,000 acres and you hunt mostly public land? Just curious about that - do you prefer public land hunting over private?

I don't own or have access to that land, it is owned by clients. I have hunted some of the tracts over the years, but generally keep business separate from personal life. Plus it is all out of state for the most part. We own just shy of 5,000 acres back home, and I do hunt it though.

I love hunting public land here in tn we are blessed with great public land and I enjoy it.

Yep the public land I have found has been good. Yanahli is great in that there are no ATV's allowed, as I saw your complaints about hunters running ATVs and calling birds into silence. Yanahli does go pretty quiet late in the season but is great hunting for the first half at least.

 

[REN]

 

[scn]

Opinions are like......elbows-everybody has a couple. Mine are certainly worth no more than anybody elses.

But, for some of the newbies that haven't been through some of the TNDeer pissing contests, when Setterman talks turkey-I listen and learn. I've had enough offline conversations with him to know that he knows a heck of a lot more about those birds (and especially hunting them) than I do.

Some that have been around likely remember some of the online battles I had with Setterman in former TNDeer lives. To his credit he took a step back and publically said that he realized TWRA wasn't the enenemy. While he and I may not agree on everything, we have learned to agree to disagree. I have found him to be knowledgeable across the board on wildlife issues.

We have a number of folks on here that have wildlife degrees and wildlife backgrounds that don't work for a state agency. That certainly doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about. I listen when they speak.

If you'll continue to talk turkey with us, Jim, I'll continue to listen. The picture was great and confirmed what I am hearing from several hunters about very early breeding this year (and some VERY late nesting last year).