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megalomaniac

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Anyone else noticed that loop knots seem to fail where the flouro rubs against the eyelet after a few hundred casts and a dozen fish caught?

Been using loop knots on my soft flukes and topwater past couple years to give them more darting action, but have had more fails at the eyelet than I do with improved clinch, palomar or barrel knots (not initially, but after sig use without retying).

I'm at the point where I think I'm going to quit Tying loop knots, because I'm too lazy to retie periodically throughout the day. I only retie when I notice abrasions on the main leader itself.

maybe I'm doing something wrong.

16 lbs flouro leader
 
Could it be your hooks, or a bad spool of Flouro? 16lb flouro is what I use for fly fishing for bass and catfish and haven't had an issue. I'm not catching big redfish, but do pretty good on bass and catfish with it. How many turns are you taking before going back through the knot? A non-slip loop knot is one where more is not always better. I had a tarpon guide teach me to only take 2 and that gives a stronger knot than 5. Tom Rowland had a podcast on this where he tested them, and the fewer turns had a higher break strength. I'm using Orvis Mirage Big Game/IGFA 16 pound flouro.
 
The knot isn't failing, it fails (eventually) where the slack loop goes thru the eyelet.

Set the hook, line breaks, reel it in and the knots is intact, but the loop itself broke.
 
megalomaniac said:
The knot isn't failing, it fails (eventually) where the slack loop goes thru the eyelet.

Set the hook, line breaks, reel it in and the knots is intact, but the loop itself broke.
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Oysters ain't your friend and trout/reds ain't tippet shy…….. 20#
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Oysters ain't your friend and trout/reds ain't tippet shy…….. 20#
The ONLY thing i use.
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But why should I have to increase leader diameter if the problem is at the loop and not the knot?

I guess what I'm thinking is the supposed extra action of the loop knot doesn't seem to be worth it if it's weaker than another knot with the same diameter line.

And sure, I could just prophylactically retie every couple of hours. But that ain't happening unless the leader gets frayed.

I would guess I make 1000-1200 casts in a typical day fishing. I'm thinking its the repetitive casting that is weakening the flouro as it rubs and folds against the eyelet.

And this winter, I'm going to try to go REALLY thin with Ned Rigs... like 10lbs braid to 8lb flouro tied to 1/8oz heads and less
 
I was having loop failures but suspect it was the paint on the eyelet causing it, I now clear all paint off the eyelet before I tie.
 

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