Prescribed burns spring 2025

There wasn't enough fuel on the ground to carry a fire prior to the herbicide application. This area was heavily thinned 15-17 years ago. The previous group tried to create a "oak savannah" by thinning the trees, leaving several oaks per acre. But, they never ran fire through it or made any effort to maintain it. It grew up into a tangled mess with briars, almost impenetrable. It held no nutritional value and our turkeys couldn't move through it at all. We used a helicopter to apply aeriel herbicide to the 65 acres in the bottom of the hollows in the fall of 2021, then let it sit. With the back burn, the total fire was 160ish. We used our existing roads as our breaks. Our goal is to keep it in early successional by running fire through it every 2-3 years after seeing the response. I saw turkeys using it the same day we burned, and it is already starting to green up.....
Sounds like a path we are headed down. We have fuels on the ground, our logging was pines, but we haven't gotten all of our firebreaks done and have some areas the biologist said we will probably have to do some spraying before it's go time. Super cool stuff!
 
Sounds like a path we are headed down. We have fuels on the ground, our logging was pines, but we haven't gotten all of our firebreaks done and have some areas the biologist said we will probably have to do some spraying before it's go time. Super cool stuff!
I'm following Mule deer's process as well. I have about 30 acres of 4-year-old regrowth I want to kick back to year zero. I suspect we will aerially spray first, then maybe burn (fire breaks are going to be the problem). The question will be, when is the best time to spray, spring or fall?
 
I'm following Mule deer's process as well. I have about 30 acres of 4-year-old regrowth I want to kick back to year zero. I suspect we will aerially spray first, then maybe burn (fire breaks are going to be the problem). The question will be, when is the best time to spray, spring or fall?
Spray late spring, early summer. Watch the weather and burn on a day with with relative low humidity during the summer after everything is dead. Not if it's been very dry though. That'll almost eliminate any spotting or burn over worries. If you do get a burn over it'll be easy to knock out and won't get away from you.
 
We stopped burning and went back to mowing just because we had a couple jump the burn lines and once it almost crossed the property line. I think our area is just too open and windy for that amount of fuel. Firefighting with a small crew is no fun. You can get good results from doing it though, just always need to be very careful.
 
We stopped burning and went back to mowing just because we had a couple jump the burn lines and once it almost crossed the property line. I think our area is just too open and windy for that amount of fuel. Firefighting with a small crew is no fun. You can get good results from doing it though, just always need to be very careful.
That is my primary concern. My burn areas are not easy to get to or around. They are on very steep terrain with virtually no access. Catching a fire that's jumped a line would be difficult.
 
Spray late spring, early summer. Watch the weather and burn on a day with with relative low humidity during the summer after everything is dead. Not if it's been very dry though. That'll almost eliminate any spotting or burn over worries. If you do get a burn over it'll be easy to knock out and won't get away from you.
My biggest concern with a summer fire would be that these areas are our primary fawn-rearing areas, as well as turkey nesting areas.

I wonder what chemicals would work best in a spring application? I would like to kill broadleaf plants but not grasses. I also wonder what kind of response we would get from a spring application. Currently the areas are a solid wall of 8-foot-tall saplings and blackberries. Would a spring application allow any sunlight down through that thicket to allow some regrowth this summer?
 
I'm following Mule deer's process as well. I have about 30 acres of 4-year-old regrowth I want to kick back to year zero. I suspect we will aerially spray first, then maybe burn (fire breaks are going to be the problem). The question will be, when is the best time to spray, spring or fall?
I'd spray June through August when the trees are most active. I'd probably go with with triclopyr (doesn't kill grasses) or glyphosate and just start from scratch. Imazapyr kills hardwoods and lets a lot of good forbs slide by but won't kill blackberries. I'd figure on 2 growing seasons post spray before you have a good grassy fuel base to carry through. The dead saplings are gonna come a little at a time. It won't be an explosive California wildfire like you might think.
 
My biggest concern with a summer fire would be that these areas are our primary fawn-rearing areas, as well as turkey nesting areas.

I wonder what chemicals would work best in a spring application? I would like to kill broadleaf plants but not grasses. I also wonder what kind of response we would get from a spring application. Currently the areas are a solid wall of 8-foot-tall saplings and blackberries. Would a spring application allow any sunlight down through that thicket to allow some regrowth this summer?
First of all, why are you worried about turkeys? You hate them. 😂

We have several landowners that get cost share from
NRCS and most herbicide applications are during late spring and throughout summer. We have to burn within a specified time frame from application if an Rx burn is required afterwards. Most of the time there is enough fuel to carry a fire during summer but it won't be a crazy intense fire as you might think. You'll see regrowth fairly quickly.

If you're looking to use herbicide for woodies and shrubs and not grasses then I probably would forgo the burning. It'll take a couple years of spraying to accomplish your goal I suspect.
 
We used a helicopter to apply aeriel herbicide to the 65 acres in the bottom of the hollows in the fall of 2021, then let it sit.
Do you remember ballpark what that cost?
I saw turkeys using it the same day we burned, and it is already starting to green up.....
I've heard turkeys gobbling 100 yards away while setting a blaze
 
I suspect we will aerially spray first, then maybe burn (fire breaks are going to be the problem).
If it's open hardwoods, fire lines are easier than you'd think. I bought the most powerful backpack blower they make (Echo) and a 6-10' firebreak down to the dirt is fast and easy. We already had ridgetop roads, but got a dozer in and created hollow roads not just for better access, but also fire breaks. I also walk these roads with the blower. On steep hillsides, I'll walk down blowing to the bottom, then just have to walk up the other side. I blew a 7 acre unit perimeter last year in about 30-45 minutes.

Basically, if I didn't have a good backpack blower, I wouldn't be getting much (any) burning done 🤣
 

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