Question about game wardens

[MickThompson]

If you are "Known" they most certainly can pull you over.....

I was pulled over because my license plate popped THPs plate reader as a woman without a license

 

[Rabbitkil]

Also ill caution everyone to be careful blasting TWRA on public forum / social media 99.9% of them are doing the job to the best of their ability and with the ever changing laws / rulings it's a hard job to keep up with all of it while doing a job

Just ask a member that used to frequent here faired after he did it, Twra with other agencies searched his house and last I heard he had like 20 charges on an indictment

 

[timberjack86]

Also ill caution everyone to be careful blasting TWRA on public forum / social media 99.9% of them are doing the job to the best of their ability and with the ever changing laws / rulings it's a hard job to keep up with all of it while doing a job

Just ask a member that used to frequent here faired after he did it, Twra with other agencies searched his house and last I heard he had like 20 charges on an indictment

They also busted him in the field doing some illegal activities.

 

[Carlos]

They also busted him in the field doing some illegal activities.

Sounds like you all are convinced this was a retaliation case…

 

[knightrider]

Also ill caution everyone to be careful blasting TWRA on public forum / social media 99.9% of them are doing the job to the best of their ability and with the ever changing laws / rulings it's a hard job to keep up with all of it while doing a job

Just ask a member that used to frequent here faired after he did it, Twra with other agencies searched his house and last I heard he had like 20 charges on an indictment

Dont do illegal and they won't be any charges

 

[Rabbitkil]

They also busted him in the field doing some illegal activities.

Because he pissed off the wrong people and they was just waiting to catch him he would probably still be getting away with it if it wasn't for that

 

[rem270]

Because he pissed off the wrong people and they was just waiting to catch him he would probably still be getting away with it if it wasn't for that

So you think they knew about it but did nothing about it until he pissed them off ? Serious question, not trying to come across as being smart about it.

 

[Rabbitkil]

So you think they knew about it but did nothing about it until he pissed them off ? Serious question, not trying to come across as being smart about it.

No but I'm sure they jumped at the opportunity once his name crossed their desk as potentially breaking the law vs just sitting on it focusing on something more serious like they tend to do

 

[backyardtndeer]

I go back to my earlier posts. If the neighbor called in on a concern, especially if he had concerns of someone poaching deer on him, I would be thankful that the game warden was out there checking into it.

Somewhere in this thread the op says the pond they were hunting was only 50 yards from the property line, that's not very far, plenty close enough for the game warden to approach and view activities while on the property he was initially checking out.

 

[Schap]

If you ask different TWRA employees you get different answers to what they can and can't do.

 

[nso123]

This really boils down to the 4th Amendment. Back in my old law enforcement days I had a U.S. Attorney ask me what the 4th Amendment meant. I rattled off the textbook answer to him. He grinned and said "wrong." He then told me that it means whatever a court said it meant yesterday. This stuff can change on a dime.

 

[Planking]

Dont do illegal and they won't be any charges

Yep!

 

[Daff]

Not going to try to start a fight. I have the degree and know quite a few wardens all stand up guys. They work long hours for little pay. They try to give the benefit of the doubt for honest folks who may have minor infraction's. Why is everyone so anti game warden? Would you rather abolish the agency and the laws they enforce? They try to focus on the problem children doing damage to the resource! Yes there are jerks among them but give the good guys a break they're trying their best to make your hunting experiences better… oh and license checks are part of the job. Just my thoughts but I don't fret when I have an interaction with them for I've done nothing wrong.

 

[Carlos]

Not going to try to start a fight. I have the degree and know quite a few wardens all stand up guys. They work long hours for little pay. They try to give the benefit of the doubt for honest folks who may have minor infraction's. Why is everyone so anti game warden? Would you rather abolish the agency and the laws they enforce? They try to focus on the problem children doing damage to the resource! Yes there are jerks among them but give the good guys a break they're trying their best to make your hunting experiences better… oh and license checks are part of the job. Just my thoughts but I don't fret when I have an interaction with them for I've done nothing wrong.

It seems the majority of US citizens are leaning towards becoming anti-government.
This shows up first in their interactions with LEO- I 100% understand why they feel that way too.
It makes the officers jobs much more difficult, and I believe many of them have cutback, and slacked off on their enforcement because of this. (Not Twra, but LEO in general.)

 

[Jcalder]

Not going to try to start a fight. I have the degree and know quite a few wardens all stand up guys. They work long hours for little pay. They try to give the benefit of the doubt for honest folks who may have minor infraction's. Why is everyone so anti game warden? Would you rather abolish the agency and the laws they enforce? They try to focus on the problem children doing damage to the resource! Yes there are jerks among them but give the good guys a break they're trying their best to make your hunting experiences better… oh and license checks are part of the job. Just my thoughts but I don't fret when I have an interaction with them for I've done nothing wrong.

Are they salaried employees or hourly?

 

[mike243]

salaried

 

[Hawk]

The decision, first announced by the Institute for Justice, means that Tennessee wildlife officers will no longer be allowed to access private lands unless they have explicit permission of the landowner, or have obtained a court-ordered search warrant.

 

[DaveTN]

Not going to try to start a fight. I have the degree and know quite a few wardens all stand up guys. They work long hours for little pay. They try to give the benefit of the doubt for honest folks who may have minor infraction's. Why is everyone so anti game warden? Would you rather abolish the agency and the laws they enforce? They try to focus on the problem children doing damage to the resource! Yes there are jerks among them but give the good guys a break they're trying their best to make your hunting experiences better… oh and license checks are part of the job. Just my thoughts but I don't fret when I have an interaction with them for I've done nothing wrong.

Everyone isn't anti game warden. Don't let it bother you. Most of us are pro law enforcement. But just like what's going on in the rest of our country, a small minority is making a lot of noise. This is a hunting forum, so you will have some folks that hate wardens. Some have a reason too; some hate anyone in authority.

But when LE does something wrong, it has to be called out. This ruling that removes the wardens ability to do their job came about from a couple of wardens putting cameras on private property, and then getting a search warrant for the victims (Yes, at that point they became victims) house after they were accused of stealing them. They were threatened with arrest if they didn't hand over the cameras, and if I remember correctly, they were eventually arrested.

You don't have to be a trained law enforcement officer to know that what they did was a violation of the victims rights. Yet we constantly see people claiming that what the wardens did at that time was legal. That's ridiculous. I can believe maybe one guy being dumb enough or new enough to not know what they were doing was wrong, but not two. As far as I know there were never any repercussions for their actions.

So the result will be, as you say, damage to the resources TWRA says they protect. I do not believe this court ruling would stand, but the TWRA decided not to appeal it so that's where we are. The TWRA and its agents not being properly trained are the reason for this. That doesn't set well with many.

 

[peytoncreekhunter]

Everyone isn't anti game warden. Don't let it bother you. Most of us are pro law enforcement. But just like what's going on in the rest of our country, a small minority is making a lot of noise. This is a hunting forum, so you will have some folks that hate wardens. Some have a reason too; some hate anyone in authority.

But when LE does something wrong, it has to be called out. This ruling that removes the wardens ability to do their job came about from a couple of wardens putting cameras on private property, and then getting a search warrant for the victims (Yes, at that point they became victims) house after they were accused of stealing them. They were threatened with arrest if they didn't hand over the cameras, and if I remember correctly, they were eventually arrested.

You don't have to be a trained law enforcement officer to know that what they did was a violation of the victims rights. Yet we constantly see people claiming that what the wardens did at that time was legal. That's ridiculous. I can believe maybe one guy being dumb enough or new enough to not know what they were doing was wrong, but not two. As far as I know there were never any repercussions for their actions.

So the result will be, as you say, damage to the resources TWRA says they protect. I do not believe this court ruling would stand, but the TWRA decided not to appeal it so that's where we are. The TWRA and its agents not being properly trained are the reason for this. That doesn't set well with many.

Everyone isn't anti game warden. Don't let it bother you. Most of us are pro law enforcement. But just like what's going on in the rest of our country, a small minority is making a lot of noise. This is a hunting forum, so you will have some folks that hate wardens. Some have a reason too; some hate anyone in authority.

But when LE does something wrong, it has to be called out. This ruling that removes the wardens ability to do their job came about from a couple of wardens putting cameras on private property, and then getting a search warrant for the victims (Yes, at that point they became victims) house after they were accused of stealing them. They were threatened with arrest if they didn't hand over the cameras, and if I remember correctly, they were eventually arrested.

You don't have to be a trained law enforcement officer to know that what they did was a violation of the victims rights. Yet we constantly see people claiming that what the wardens did at that time was legal. That's ridiculous. I can believe maybe one guy being dumb enough or new enough to not know what they were doing was wrong, but not two. As far as I know there were never any repercussions for their actions.

So the result will be, as you say, damage to the resources TWRA says they protect. I do not believe this court ruling would stand, but the TWRA decided not to appeal it so that's where we are. The TWRA and its agents not being properly trained are the reason for this. That doesn't set well with many.

At the time the wardens went onto the property what was the standing US Supreme Court Ruling on the matter?

 

[DaveTN]

At the time the wardens went onto the property what was the standing US Supreme Court Ruling on the matter?

"Open fields" gave them the right to be there. It did not give them the right to install surveillance equipment on private property and then threaten the property owners with arrest for removing it. Any rookie cop I worked with would have known that.

When it comes to search and seizure both cops and citizens have to understand the 4th​ amendment. The key to the 4th​ amendment is the word "unreasonable". Does every search require a warrant? Of course not. But what they did was not reasonable.