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Quota Hunts

Several have mentioned what I "heard" about why the hunt dissolved, but I'll add myself and others hunted it last year at peak time (middle of November) with solid weather and I was VERY underwhelmed. To the point I hate I wasted my preference points on it. The Arsenal & TWRA staff at the orientation and the entrance/exit gate were awesome and very helpful, as was dwallace33 on TnDeer, but the deer sign and deer sightings left a lot to be desired. With that said, I was in one small unit of the arsenal that may not have been the best area to deer hunt. No way for me to know with no prior knowledge of the area.
I live neighboring the arsenal and it was a disagreement with TWRA and the national guard. My kid got drawn for the juvenile hunt there and I was amazed at the numbet of deer we saw. Turkeys were everywhere also. Never saw a coyote, but poop on every road. I was looking forward to turkey or the next year deer hunt. That's when I started hearing about things not going well and canceling future hunting. This spring I kept seeing turkeys tagged frequently on the property and contacted TWRA. Apparently some on duty can still hunt and they do veteran/wounded warrior hunts.
 
So basically you only care about 2 species that by all measures are in fantastic shape and can be hunted right across the road from the cuts that upset you?

It sound like you aren't concerned about habitat as much as sentimental about places that you used to hunt.

What about rabbits, bobwhites, and grouse? What about prairie warblers, yellow breasted chats, white-eyed vireos, indigo buntings, and whippoorwills? Fox squirrels? Raccoons may not den in it, but they're using young forest and early successional cover as well. If they weren't using the same habitat that quail and turkeys nest in they wouldn't be vilified as nest raiders. Even the turkey research says we have a brood and nesting habitat shortage, not a winter roost shortage. The wildlife in the worst shape right now are the ones that don't need big, old trees but native prairie plants.

I'm not saying cut it all down but we damage a forest irreversibly by not managing it. And filling in Kentucky Lake? In my best Joe Biden impersonation- come on, man! That's just tree hugger hyperbole.

To try to pull it back to the original topic, diversity is important in habitat and hunting opportunity.

Gentlemen I actually care about more than squirrels and raccoons ( well it's no longer cool to care about raccoons) Those are just obvious examples of why I would like to see some hardwoods left. If you look at it from that perspective, hopefully we can agree. Squirrel numbers fluctuate according to a successful mast crop. They had a rough way to go two years ago when the drought hurt the mast crop. Lots of hungry squirrels followed by an especially cold winter. We had a nice rebound last year and there seems to be an abundance currently.
In the specific area and forest I mentioned Natchez Trace in Benton,Carroll, and Henderson counties in west Tennessee. There is no prairie restoration going on. That would be great for all that you mentioned above. Forestry used to cut fire trail ditches and burn under the pines. I would love to see other methods of forest management than massive clear cuts. Select cutting would be less profitable and this way they only go in once in your lifetime to disturb the soil.
Living on Ky lake as my home county Benton is bordered by it. It's not just me that's noticing the deposition of silt building up in the last 5 decades. Maybe it's also agriculture practices. You can see the effects of erosion in Natchez Trace as it becomes more obvious after a clear cut. Silt winds up in the creeks and doesn't stay there. The western side of Ky Lake has especially been filled in by deposition of displaced topsoil.
You are correct also about sentimental attachment. I would be lying otherwise. Luckily I am a landowner of just under 50 acres the boundaries of Natchez Trace State Forest and can do as I please. ( Dad and I had a ball back in the 80s during the quota only deer hunt days) The hardwood trees have been removed on nearly all sides of my property and the bucks are living longer than ever before. Having lots of cover and browse deserves the credit. I believe I will leave my land in managed hardwood (we select cut with horses in early nineties) for the rest of my life and instruct the kids to do the same. Practically an island now surrounded various stages of regrowth. Maybe a few animals will want an acorn or hickory nut sometime in the future for a snack and they will know where to look.
Lying Dog Faced Pony Soldier rant over. Have a great day.
 
This spring I kept seeing turkeys tagged frequently on the property and contacted TWRA. Apparently some on duty can still hunt and they do veteran/wounded warrior hunts.
Makes sense. If there is anything I am disappointed about, it is the missed opportunity for turkey hunting as I saw plenty, just as you did. I could tell it would be a quality quota hunt, if it was still an option. Maybe they can work something out in the future. Time will tell.
 
I wish someone would cut some timber out of South Cherokee, back before Bowaters shut down and Doc Evans died there was some really good hunting, now it's all mature hardwoods and the deer are having to compete with the hogs and bears for acorns
 
I don't mind the timber cuts but the loggers should have to at least make the land usable afterwards
On that we agree!

Plus, I don't like BIG timber cuts. I prefer them broken into about 20-acre parcels. And not clear-cut, but cut down fairly significantly, such as down to 10" DBH. Lots of sun, but still standing oaks to replenish the forest through acorn production.
 
On that we agree!

Plus, I don't like BIG timber cuts. I prefer them broken into about 20-acre parcels. And not clear-cut, but cut down fairly significantly, such as down to 10" DBH. Lots of sun, but still standing oaks to replenish the forest through acorn production.
What is DBH?
 
diameter at breast height
This. In essence, what is the diameter of the tree at the middle of your chest height.

Most hardwood thinnings don't cut down that far. Usually, all trees down to 14" or 12". But personally, when I want timber cut to let sunlight down to the ground, I have it cut heavier than most like.
 
On that we agree!

Plus, I don't like BIG timber cuts. I prefer them broken into about 20-acre parcels. And not clear-cut, but cut down fairly significantly, such as down to 10" DBH. Lots of sun, but still standing oaks to replenish the forest through acorn production.
I agree. Take 10% of an area, select cut it in 15-20 acre tracts so sunlihjt can reach the forest floor, clean it up so it's usable and then you would see an improvement in wildlife numbers.
 
Just bought a point. Buffalo Ridge somewhat interests me, but can't make the MZ hunt dates this year. Don't know if 6 points would be enough to draw it anyway. Wish there was more for "mid-tier" options.
 
Just bought a point. Buffalo Ridge somewhat interests me, but can't make the MZ hunt dates this year. Don't know if 6 points would be enough to draw it anyway. Wish there was more for "mid-tier" options.
Ultimately hunter demand and preference is what drives points needed to draw. I think we'll pretty much always have 0-2 point areas and 6+ point areas with little in between
 
I just called the Region office about this. It was left out of the programming and will be put back, hopefully by weeks end. So if you want to buy a point instead of putting in for a draw, hold off on doing your application for now.
Thanks for the info. I'm getting up there in points, saving for President's Island. Getting close to retirement so I want to put off getting drawn for a year or two.
 

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