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redblood said:
Seems like they are controversial. But it didn't hit me until i was talking with some of my dual
Credit students. One girl in particular. Says her boyfriend always watching hunting shows even though he rarely actually hunts . I asked her id he watched catman. She laughed and said he watches Seek One mainly.
Joking with her i asked if she liked it. She said no, they kill deer in people yards and shot a deer that came tbrough a chainlink fence. Then it hit me.

City boys killing deer isnt the problem. City boys killing tame deer isnt the problem. City boys killing deer i people's yards isnt the problem.

The problem is, they have become an symbol, an avatar, of what deer hunting is because they are what everyone sees. Their youtube prowess, that keep them streaming any time someone types in archery hunting is the problem. They (and their mirror images) are many peoples only reference point to what hunting is. It isnt a time honored tradition passed from father to son on family farmland or vast spances of public land or generationally leases of river bottoms and forested timberland. But GQ yuppies who refer to deer as their green scores and use religion to pray to sway surbanites to open their backyards to them. This new age of hunting, which everything centers around a subscriber total or a thumbs up has misinformed the 96 percents of people that don't bowhunt of what fair chase hunting is.

We must change our avatar before its too late. Seek one isnt the problem. They are the wound we refuse to treat.
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My concern is the image it puts forth to people living in the subdivision who may not hunt or even have an opinion one way or the other about hunters or hunting. I know where a monster is right now with ring cam pictures in the front yard in a subdivision in TN. Just because you can does not mean you should. Now if the deer are a nuisance and the neighbor hood wants them gone that is different game on.
 
hillbilly68 said:
My concern is the image it puts forth to people living in the subdivision who may not hunt or even have an opinion one way or the other about hunters or hunting. I know where a monster is right now with ring cam pictures in the front yard in a subdivision in TN. Just because you can does not mean you should. Now if the deer are a nuisance and the neighbor hood wants them gone that is different game on.
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Managing suburban deer through bow hunting is a necessity. However, taking advantage of that opportunity to "trophy hunt" people's pets simply so you can glorify yourself on YouTube is the wrong thing to do.
 
lafn96 said:
Listened to their podcast to hear their version of how the Nashville hunt went down. At the end, they said they're wanting to get someone on their podcast who doesn't agree with what they do. I'd look forward to listening to that episode, especially if someone off of this forum was the guest to debate them.
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I will
Be glad to be that person!
 
I really didn't even want to give an opinion on this one way or another. I don't follow them, or know much other than what I've heard from others. I've tried to keep an open mind regarding them, until I listened to the podcast concerning the Nashville River buck. It made me sick.

Based on his own assertion on that podcast, that he always does what's best for the deer, I've gotta disagree.

By his own admission, does passing up a good shot in favor of a really crappy shot sound good for the deer? We all have made bad shots, but my take on this one is that it was done for nothing more than video footage, which translates to likes, subscribes, and money.

Does asking for retrieval permission after the fact sound good for the deer? Is it a habit with his group??? No, it's not good for the deer, and is begging to let an animal go to waste if a home owner denies retrieval permission. But, it gives video footage and likes and subscribes.

I heard Lee say that he doesn't like attention. I don't know him, but from what I heard on the podcast, I'd seriously doubt that's the case. Why do the type videos he does then? If he doesn't like attention, from the remarks of his admirers at his side, they're gonna make sure he gets it.

There's nothing wrong legally about hunting heavily populated areas and going after a good buck or any deer for that matter. But more than any place you could hunt that I can think of, toeing the line is even more necessary in tiny wood lots and back yards. The way that subdivisions are sprouting from the ground in middle Tennessee, it's making it even tougher on the larger tracts of land around them as well. We'll all be faced with it when the lot owners are claiming the deer as their pets.

The podcast made me sick, and I don't really need to hear more from him. What stood out was excuses, self-glorification, and encouragement from his friend-groupies.

I heard the mention of Tennessee Rednecks. From what was told in another thread, it sounds like the " Tennessee Redneck's" in the boats main concern was finishing off a miserably wounded deer, because of piss-poor shot placement, purposely chosen by the group leader over a better shot, all for video footage, likes and subscribes and ego.

I tell you, I'd share a campfire anytime with the "Tennessee Rednecks", and based on his own comments, I seriously doubt he'd do well debating his detractors and holding them accountable.
 
tanasirivertea said:
This is my all time favorite post ever on this website. Thanks for sharing! Substitute the hunting for sports and apply it to kids. kids play baseball 365 and yet no one can figure out why there's a plague of arm injuries
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You've obviously never read any of my fact based, gripping, highly inspiring posts 😂
 
For whatever it is worth and for anyone wondering how he gets access. I was talking to a buddy of mine in Atlanta this weekend. He has a house just outside of Atlanta in a neighborhood with 2 to 3 acres on a large creek. Seek one has knocked on his door and all neighbors to ask if he could hunt. My buddy hunts his property so he declined but he said he was very casual and positioned his "ask" by telling him other neighbors in area had given him permission to hunt and/or recover a deer. He said you felt bad to say no. What surprised me is that he said most of his friends in the neighborhood either had feeders and/or even a small foodplot/garden to pull them in. He said all of his neighbors that dont even hunt know about the guy and many feed. Feeding and hunting deer in and around Atlanta has become a bit of a hobby for many Atlanta residents and probably why they are growing so big bc i grew up in GA and we never had deer that big.
 
Lost Lake said:
We all have made bad shots
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Every bow hunter at some point makes a bad hit. It's the worst feeling in the world. The goal is to make the cleanest, most immediate kill possible.

I've never heard of a bow hunter purposely making a bad hit, let alone admitting it in public and trying to justify it with no shame at all. I'm hardly righteous enough to judge another man's heart but what he openly admitted to is about as poor ethics as I've ever heard.
 
Lost Lake said:
I really didn't even want to give an opinion on this one way or another. I don't follow them, or know much other than what I've heard from others. I've tried to keep an open mind regarding them, until I listened to the podcast concerning the Nashville River buck. It made me sick.

Based on his own assertion on that podcast, that he always does what's best for the deer, I've gotta disagree.

By his own admission, does passing up a good shot in favor of a really crappy shot sound good for the deer? We all have made bad shots, but my take on this one is that it was done for nothing more than video footage, which translates to likes, subscribes, and money.

Does asking for retrieval permission after the fact sound good for the deer? Is it a habit with his group??? No, it's not good for the deer, and is begging to let an animal go to waste if a home owner denies retrieval permission. But, it gives video footage and likes and subscribes.

I heard Lee say that he doesn't like attention. I don't know him, but from what I heard on the podcast, I'd seriously doubt that's the case. Why do the type videos he does then? If he doesn't like attention, from the remarks of his admirers at his side, they're gonna make sure he gets it.

There's nothing wrong legally about hunting heavily populated areas and going after a good buck or any deer for that matter. But more than any place you could hunt that I can think of, toeing the line is even more necessary in tiny wood lots and back yards. The way that subdivisions are sprouting from the ground in middle Tennessee, it's making it even tougher on the larger tracts of land around them as well. We'll all be faced with it when the lot owners are claiming the deer as their pets.

The podcast made me sick, and I don't really need to hear more from him. What stood out was excuses, self-glorification, and encouragement from his friend-groupies.

I heard the mention of Tennessee Rednecks. From what was told in another thread, it sounds like the " Tennessee Redneck's" in the boats main concern was finishing off a miserably wounded deer, because of piss-poor shot placement, purposely chosen by the group leader over a better shot, all for video footage, likes and subscribes and ego.

I tell you, I'd share a campfire anytime with the "Tennessee Rednecks", and based on his own comments, I seriously doubt he'd do well debating his detractors and holding them accountable.
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I have always tried to keep an open mind regarding them as well but after that podcast, I am done listening or watching them... He kept doubling back on every excuse he was giving about trying to do what's "best" for the deer, when indeed nothing he did was good for the deer in that hunt. And the little comment and giggles about the TN rednecks really got my blood boiling. That was such an entitled comment that had "this is my deer, stay away" mantra written all over it and anybody that is not like him or his crew is below him. That one really turned me off to them.
 
East TN Bowhunter said:
I have always tried to keep an open mind regarding them as well but after that podcast, I am done listening or watching them... He kept doubling back on every excuse he was giving about trying to do what's "best" for the deer, when indeed nothing he did was good for the deer in that hunt. And the little comment and giggles about the TN rednecks really got my blood boiling. That was such an entitled comment that had "this is my deer, stay away" mantra written all over it and anybody that is not like him or his crew is below him. That one really turned me off to them.
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To add to this. A great and telling part was he just watched the people on the boat and didn't pipe up. A simple "Hey guys that my deer, I had a bad shot and working on finishing what I started. Mind if I help put him down" . Instead he hide behind the bushes and watched.
 
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Lost Lake said:
By his own admission, does passing up a good shot in favor of a really crappy shot sound good for the deer? We all have made bad shots, but my take on this one is that it was done for nothing more than video footage, which translates to likes, subscribes, and money.
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He admitted to purposely taking a bad shot on the deer??
 
MidTennFisher said:
He admitted to purposely taking a bad shot on the deer??
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I'll loosely quote
"I was at full draw with the buck right under me for two minutes but the camera angle wasn't good. The camera man told him so."

Then, shot the buck farther out at angle he knew was tricky as he walked away. Turned out, it was tricky it sounds like.

Why??? For the sake of making a video, pass a great shot for a crappy one. Just for film sake.
 
Molonlabemike said:
To add to this. A great and telling part was he just watched the people on the boat and didn't pipe up. A simple "Hey guys that my deer, I had a bad shot and working on finishing what I started. Mind if I help out him down" . Instead he hide behind the bushes and watched.
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Bingo. If he saw the boat in such detail as he spoke, then he had plenty time to address them, and chose not to.
 
Lost Lake said:
I'll loosely quote
"I was at full draw with the buck right under me for two minutes but the camera angle wasn't good. The camera man told him so."

Then, shot the buck farther out at angle he knew was tricky as he walked away. Turned out, it was tricky it sounds like.

Why??? For the sake of making a video, pass a great shot for a crappy one. Just for film sake.
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That's just awful. Straight up KFC - Killing For Content. That's what all this social media crap has done to hunting.

The content is more important than ethics or whether you even actually want the meat. How many of these guys kill WAY more big game animals than they intend to eat and just donate to Hunters for the Hungry? It's sickening.
 

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