Thinking about HHA

[Yodel Dog]

IMO buying a product based on "market share" and "reputation" is a dumb move. That being said I have a single pin non adjustable that I put on my wife's bow. She says and I agree the apature is too small. Past that it is a solid sight.

Oh really...a company that has a solid reputation and sells alot of sights isn't a bad choice. I'm not sure how you could call that a dumb move.I guess all the people shooting HHA must be dumb as well.

UTGrad, I see you on AT and just wanted to let you know that most people that use HHA sights are shooting 3D. IMO, that's a terrible choice for a hunting sight. I've used one and still have it (in a pile of junk in the garage) but once it costs you a good buck, you'll be looking for something else. The last thing I want to be doing when a buck comes in is fumbling with my sight.

 

[Radar]

IMO buying a product based on "market share" and "reputation" is a dumb move. That being said I have a single pin non adjustable that I put on my wife's bow. She says and I agree the apature is too small. Past that it is a solid sight.

Oh really...a company that has a solid reputation and sells alot of sights isn't a bad choice. I'm not sure how you could call that a dumb move.I guess all the people shooting HHA must be dumb as well.

UTGrad, I see you on AT and just wanted to let you know that most people that use HHA sights are shooting 3D. IMO, that's a terrible choice for a hunting sight. I've used one and still have it (in a pile of junk in the garage) but once it costs you a good buck, you'll be looking for something else. The last thing I want to be doing when a buck comes in is fumbling with my sight.

I have to disagree . I use moveable sights and lock mine down at 25 yards for hunting and never move it . Best sight I have used for hunting , bar none .

 

[UTGrad]

IMO buying a product based on "market share" and "reputation" is a dumb move. That being said I have a single pin non adjustable that I put on my wife's bow. She says and I agree the apature is too small. Past that it is a solid sight.

Oh really...a company that has a solid reputation and sells alot of sights isn't a bad choice. I'm not sure how you could call that a dumb move.I guess all the people shooting HHA must be dumb as well.

UTGrad, I see you on AT and just wanted to let you know that most people that use HHA sights are shooting 3D. IMO, that's a terrible choice for a hunting sight. I've used one and still have it (in a pile of junk in the garage) but once it costs you a good buck, you'll be looking for something else. The last thing I want to be doing when a buck comes in is fumbling with my sight.

Understand your opinion. I like the yardage tape that comes with the DS models. Gives to the yard accuracy. Now, I'm probably not good enough to maximize this feature, but I'm sure it helps.

 

[Buck Assassin]

Never did like the idea of have to adjust my sight if a deer stepped out at a longer yardage. Sometimes all you have is a split second to draw and shoot.Looking back on this past season if I had been using a single pin it would have cost me my best deer to date.

 

[Yodel Dog]

Never did like the idea of have to adjust my sight if a deer stepped out at a longer yardage. Sometimes all you have is a split second to draw and shoot.Looking back on this past season if I had been using a single pin it would have cost me my best deer to date.

My point exactly. The longer you use one, the more you see how useless it is in the deer woods. I've got way more important things to be doing than fiddling with my sight when a shooter buck walks in bow range. I want my hunting setup as simple and foolproof as possible.

 

[rdwood]

I used a multi pin sight and switched to an HHA last year. Honestly there is no comparison. Single pins are the way to go IMO. I didnt like drawing back on a deer or turkey and seeing the pins turn into a blur. I also lock mine at 25 yds and it is accurate out to 40 yds. Different strokes though.

 

[bobthebowhunter]

You guys are really beating me up on me using the word "market share". If a sight has good features, a solid reputation, good customer service, and large market share (i.e. alot of people are using them) that is a good indicator that the sight is a solid choice. I love my Black Gold sights and some people haven't even heard of them, but they got some of the best sights in the business.

How many other sites have you tried other than black gold.

 

[Radar]

Never did like the idea of have to adjust my sight if a deer stepped out at a longer yardage. Sometimes all you have is a split second to draw and shoot.Looking back on this past season if I had been using a single pin it would have cost me my best deer to date.

I have been using moveable sights for about 4 seasons now , and never moved one in a hunting situation . I keep it locked down at 25 yards for hunting and I have shot deer out to 35 yards .
With the speed of the bows these days , multiple sight pins are unnecessary . The average killing shot at a eastern whitetail is still less than 25 yards.

 

[Anonymous]

I want my hunting setup as simple and foolproof as possible.

Lord knows you need it that way. Couldn't resist .

 

[Yodel Dog]

I want my hunting setup as simple and foolproof as possible.

Lord knows you need it that way. Couldn't resist .

I guess if I shot scrubs like you, I wouldn't even nock an arrow until he was 10 yards. Gotta give the little guys a chance.

 

[Crow Terminator]

I am gonna chime in on this one now.

I bought an HHA 5000 back before deer season. I loved it shooting in the yard. For deer hunting I had much of the same concerns as some of you other folks...about not wanting to fool with moving a sight in a hunting situation. I'm actually still on the limb about this one. I can see how you could indeed set it to a certain yardage, then hold high or low depending on your yardage guesstimate. But to me, that's still GUESSWORK. I can't control where my arrow goes after it leaves the bow, but you can bet I'm gonna do everything possible while it's in my control to make a precision shot and not a guesswork shot.

I kept mine though, and love it for the brightness of the pin. I think I'm going to love it for target shooting, since we can use them for bowhunter class now. I'm just still up in the air about it for hunting itself. That is the only real part about them I don't like...and well for such a small sight, they are on the HEAVY side.

 

[Anonymous]

I guess if I shot scrubs like you, I wouldn't even nock an arrow until he was 10 yards. Gotta give the little guys a chance.

Do you even have a bow? Oh yeah that's right you just got one about two weeks ago.

On another note, the buck you killed this year was a true trophy. No wonder you can't kill big deer.

 

[Radar]

I am gonna chime in on this one now.

I bought an HHA 5000 back before deer season. I loved it shooting in the yard. For deer hunting I had much of the same concerns as some of you other folks...about not wanting to fool with moving a sight in a hunting situation. I'm actually still on the limb about this one. I can see how you could indeed set it to a certain yardage, then hold high or low depending on your yardage guesstimate. But to me, that's still GUESSWORK. I can't control where my arrow goes after it leaves the bow, but you can bet I'm gonna do everything possible while it's in my control to make a precision shot and not a guesswork shot.

I kept mine though, and love it for the brightness of the pin. I think I'm going to love it for target shooting, since we can use them for bowhunter class now. I'm just still up in the air about it for hunting itself. That is the only real part about them I don't like...and well for such a small sight, they are on the HEAVY side.

It's no different than those in- between shots in the pin gaps using a multiple pin sights , Crow . Shooting from a treestand out to 35 yards with a bow shooting 275 fps or better , there is very little hold over .
I have had good success using a single pin moveable sight for hunting .

 

[Yodel Dog]

I guess if I shot scrubs like you, I wouldn't even nock an arrow until he was 10 yards. Gotta give the little guys a chance.

Do you even have a bow? Oh yeah that's right you just got one about two weeks ago.

On another note, the buck you killed this year was a true trophy. No wonder you can't kill big deer.

Yea, you're right, had to get rid of that junky Hoyt and get a real bow. You miss my big deer and run em off! Maybe you've got an accurate weapon now.

 

[JayMc]

It's no different than those in- between shots in the pin gaps using a multiple pin sights , Crow . Shooting from a treestand out to 35 yards with a bow shooting 275 fps or better , there is very little hold over .
I have had good success using a single pin moveable sight for hunting .

Don't go using logic and experience Scott

 

[UTGrad]

Just bought my HHA from Archery Den. I got a 4x lens as well. I already like how easy it is to ease a single pin down on a target. It definately opens up the view in the scope housing.

 

[lung-buster]

Do you like the 4x lens?

 

[UTGrad]

Do you like the 4x lens?

I really haven't shot much with it except for a few times inside the range at Archery Den. For target I think it will be great, but I will not use it for hunting.

 

[Buck Assassin]

Never did like the idea of have to adjust my sight if a deer stepped out at a longer yardage. Sometimes all you have is a split second to draw and shoot.Looking back on this past season if I had been using a single pin it would have cost me my best deer to date.

I have been using moveable sights for about 4 seasons now , and never moved one in a hunting situation . I keep it locked down at 25 yards for hunting and I have shot deer out to 35 yards .
With the speed of the bows these days , multiple sight pins are unnecessary . The average killing shot at a eastern whitetail is still less than 25 yards.

Ok here was my situation. This buck is coming off the ridge at me and looks like he is going to step out at 20 yards.So I turn around and get my bow then turn back around and the deer has changed its course and is now going to step out at 40 yards in about 5 seconds. I had just enough time to clip my release and draw my bow when the deer stepped into the only shooting hole I would have had on that deer and I sent a arrow through its ribcage. If I had been using a single pin I would have been screwed! My bow sighted in at 20 yards drops I would say atleast 18 inches at 40 yards. I have never measured it. But I do not want to be guessing that much holdover on a deer!

 

[Crow Terminator]

Radar -- Only one little difference in shooting at actual deer....they react and move. Don't matter how fast your bow is shooting...there ain't a bow out there fast enough for a deer to not be able to react and duck out of the way. This 82nd airborne is the fastest bow I've ever owned. My hunting setup at 60 pounds was producing speeds just shy of 305 fps. The first deer of the season that I took a shot at, was at 30 yds. Something spooked her my way and she ran to me and stopped, looking back towards where she came from, so she was a little jumpy. I ranged her. Dialed the sight in to the yardage. Aimed at her where the 12 ring would have been. And she done a total Matrix deal. I cut hair off her back. If she would have stood still I would have drilled her. And that was at around 303 fps.

I still like the idea of pins better. Atleast with pins going in 10 yd increments, you have a much smaller area for error. If you have that HHA locked at 25 yds, and you're shooting at a deer that is 40 yds, that's a BIG guess as to where the arrow is gonna go. Here's a simulation of my setup at that distance via OnTarget2's ballistics with my arrow and bowsetup:

The green arrow thing represents where you would have to hold over on a medium size deer at 40 yds in order to hit it where the yellow spot is on the target. That's at 303 fps.