Time to take up for CBJ and other coaches...

[gator-n-buck]

Coaches make mistakes every game, including Nick Saban. These coaches have seconds to get the right players on the field, make the right calls, and be ready for the next play. Yep, these Coaches sign on and get paid millions to coach, so taking the heat from fans goes with the gig. Here's the difference when viewing these mistakes that coaches make every game...... When a coach is winning and makes mistakes during a game, it's not a big deal and the fans never give it a second thought. When a coach loses a big game or even having a rough season. The fans notice every little thing and the coach is put under the microscope. Not only do the fans notice the play calling, they also start putting everything the coach says under a microscope. You guys remember Coach Fulmer, the guy that won a N/C? He went through this later in his career. Lets face it, fans have minutes, hours, and days to second guess a coaches' decision that had to be made in a matter of seconds. These coaches get second guessed on calls that are made under pressure in a matter of seconds.

Lets take a couple of example from the game.... Throwing on first and goal from the one yard line? They had man to man with a WR that won a jump ball earlier in the game. The play didn't work and a few mistakes (drop pass and a flag) later, UT turned the ball over. What happen earlier in the game when UT had short and 3rd and they tried the run the ball? The plays were stuffed for loses and UT had to punt. That plus throwing the ball up against a young CB probably played into why UT decided to throw the ball at that point in the game. How about the last play of the game? UT had the play read right and knew what UF was trying to do. UT played zone with their CB covering the flat in front of FG range and had their safeties keeping everything in front of them. UF attempted to hit an underneath pattern for FG range but the safety didn't do his job and let the WR get behind him for the TD. Not a bad defensive call, just poor execution from the safety.

One of the biggest mistakes that CJM made during the end of the game actually probably won the game for UF. UF had two timeouts and poor management of the clock that forced UF to make a big play with 9 seconds left in the game. I believe UF would of lost the game in OT since the defense ran out of gas in the 4th qt. and missed a lot of tackles. The reason I point this out is because UF won the game and it's not a big deal. Imagine if UF lost the game? CJM would be fading heat for not using a timeout.

The point of all this is that every fan and former player thinks that they can be a coach and make the right calls and at the right time. The problem is that most of them have never been in that situation where you have to make the calls in a matter of seconds. Just my two cents and I also realize that these guys get paid millions to win.

I know we joke about rival coaches but these guys have lot of pressure on them and pressure causes mistakes sometimes..... You ever missed a deer that you had a matter of seconds to shoot....

 

[PalsPal]

Ahh shaddup, you just want us to keep him !

 

[TeamMainStreet]

Nice little pat on the head there GnB. :tu:

 

[TeamMainStreet]

Something I saw that I thought was a neat and also strange stat considering the final score of the game.

Entering the game Sat, Florida lead the all time series 26-20.

Has nothing to do with GnB post. I just saw it and thought it was interesting.

 

[gator-n-buck]

Ahh shaddup, you just want us to keep him !

It really doesn't matter to me what direction UTs goes in. I watched fans/boosters run UT's best coach ever out of the job and things haven't been the same since. Heck, UF fans were starting to turn on Spurrier when he didn't win a SEC title or N/C ever year. How do you run a guy out of town like Mark Richt that avg. 9-10 wins per season. Fans can be to greedy and try to evaluate something that they have never done. Would be like one of us trying to walk into a surgery room and tell a doctor how to do his job......

 

[TreyB]

Something I saw that I thought was a neat and also strange stat considering the final score of the game.

Entering the game Sat, Florida lead the all time series 26-20.

Has nothing to do with GnB post. I just saw it and thought it was interesting.

Pretty cool huh

 

[TeamMainStreet]

Something I saw that I thought was a neat and also strange stat considering the final score of the game.

Entering the game Sat, Florida lead the all time series 26-20.

Has nothing to do with GnB post. I just saw it and thought it was interesting.

Pretty cool huh

Yep. Another sign of Earths demise at the hands of Planet X in just a few more days. :rotf: :rotf:

 

[TeamMainStreet]

Ahh shaddup, you just want us to keep him !

It really doesn't matter to me what direction UTs goes in. I watched fans/boosters run UT's best coach ever out of the job and things haven't been the same since. Heck, UF fans were starting to turn on Spurrier when he didn't win a SEC title or N/C ever year. How do you run a guy out of town like Mark Richt that avg. 9-10 wins per season. Fans can be to greedy and try to evaluate something that they have never done. Would be like one of us trying to walk into a surgery room and tell a doctor how to do his job......

Who are you? I dont even know you anymore man. Cmon

 

[THEdonkey0515]

That loss hurt.

Vols have won games under CBJ they never should have UGA & app st. Last year for example. Georgia tech this year.

The tables were gonna turn sooner or later & they was gonna lose a game they should have won In a heart breaking fashion like Saturday.

I don't think CBJ is a horrible/ very bad coach like some believe.

His an OK/alright coach nothing more 7-9 wins a season nothing special.

I do agree fans don't look at mistakes if there team wins, UF fans were getting ready to kill mac for letting the clock tick down to 9 seconds before franks pulled that play off.

 

[gator-n-buck]

Ahh shaddup, you just want us to keep him !

It really doesn't matter to me what direction UTs goes in. I watched fans/boosters run UT's best coach ever out of the job and things haven't been the same since. Heck, UF fans were starting to turn on Spurrier when he didn't win a SEC title or N/C ever year. How do you run a guy out of town like Mark Richt that avg. 9-10 wins per season. Fans can be to greedy and try to evaluate something that they have never done. Would be like one of us trying to walk into a surgery room and tell a doctor how to do his job......

Who are you? I dont even know you anymore man. Cmon

We all have fun on here but heck, lets call it like it is. Fans expectations can be to high some times. Here's a perfect example: UT has tried 3 times to replace a legend at coach. Not one big name coach took the job or even acted interested in the job. There's a good chance that neither Peyton or Gruden are walking in those doors. Do we even know that Peyton can coach at a high level? This is what I mean about fans expectations vs reality.

It's all in fun talking smack before the game but there's no reason to pile on afterwards.

 

[wayne]

CBJ is too analytical. He needs to make decisions with his gut instead of percentages all the time. I'm not saying to go Les Miles crazy, but if he always goes by percentages, he'll never have the killer instinct to put teams away. But if he goes by percentages and loses, he doesn't think he should be called out for it.

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[scn]

Great post, GNB. It is amazing that within the Vol "fans" that when something goes well that it is in spite of their head coach, and when something goes wrong, all the blame ends up on him. In reality, the last play of the game should have been a non-issue. The officials swallowed their whistles on the last two plays of the game and let blatant Gator penalties go uncalled. UT may have still found a way to lose in OT, but not on that dagger.

But, still it is all Butch's fault. Amazing.

 

[TeamMainStreet]

Oh, I know what you are saying GnB. I have been getting a good chuckle at VN since Sat. They already have a coaches "Hot Board" organized and are actually arguing with each other over which hypothetical coach would do the better job. Its insane.

I know what you are saying about trying 3 times to replace a legendary coach. But I do think this. I think that the program is in much better shape right now than it has been in the last 10 to 15 years. The roster looks pretty good with talent right now and I think that would be attractive to hire a good to great coach. And lets be real. All of that is because of Butch. I feel like he has done what he was brought here to do but the end of the line is coming up fast here at TN.

 

[TeamMainStreet]

Great post, GNB. It is amazing that within the Vol "fans" that when something goes well that it is in spite of their head coach, and when something goes wrong, all the blame ends up on him. In reality, the last play of the game should have been a non-issue. The officials swallowed their whistles on the last two plays of the game and let blatant Gator penalties go uncalled. UT may have still found a way to lose in OT, but not on that dagger.

But, still it is all Butch's fault. Amazing.

Yep. Next to last play, WR was lined up offsides and even the announcers circled it on the screen but wasnt called. Yea well. Thats the way it goes sometimes.

 

[gator-n-buck]

Great post, GNB. It is amazing that within the Vol "fans" that when something goes well that it is in spite of their head coach, and when something goes wrong, all the blame ends up on him. In reality, the last play of the game should have been a non-issue. The officials swallowed their whistles on the last two plays of the game and let blatant Gator penalties go uncalled. UT may have still found a way to lose in OT, but not on that dagger.

But, still it is all Butch's fault. Amazing.

Lets break these last two plays down and why no flags were thrown. The first play we are talking about the WR check in with the ref to line up on-sides. Once the ref gives them the okay then there's not going to be a flag thrown by that ref for off-sides. The picture on social media doesn't tell the whole picture. WRs are probably off-sides half the time during the game but they are having help by the refs to line-up.

Why a flag wasn't thrown on the last play. 99% of the time the refs don't throw a flag on the last play of the game unless it's something crazy. Referees don't want to decide ball games and are trained to avoid deciding the out come of a game. Since we are talking about holding and it can be basically called on every play. You would be hard press to see a flag thrown in that stuation.

I have noticed that no one is complaining about no flags thrown on two facemask against UT. One of them would of put UF in the red-zone and gave them a good chance to score a TD. Instead UF walked away with an early FG. Of course this proves my point that fans normally don't complain about penalties when their team wins.

 

[huntinkev]

I agree all coaches make game time mistakes. It's a lot easier to look back on Monday and see things you would have done differently. The problem is Butch has made a bad habit of bad coaching during games, the bigger the game the more uptight he is and the more mistakes he makes. Also, I don't think the preparation through the week is what it should be. If Butch was Florida's coach for the last 5 years, I think you would have a different take on it too. I don't know how you felt about Zook, but he was winning 8-9 games a year and what did he last...3 years. Butch has shown he is a pretty good recruiter, just like Zook, but I think he is sorely lacking in some of the preparations and game time decisions, just like Zook. I guess you could also argue about the player development, at times it doesn't seem to be there. I know some players are just misses, but I think there are some instances we just don't develop them along like their potential would allow.

I think you would agree that TN has had the advantage the last 4 years but we've only come away with 1 win. This year with where Florida is right now and having all the players out of the game, this was TN's to lose..and we lost. We should have one in 2014 & 2015 also, yet Butch happened. It's not just the Florida games either. Last year losing to South Carolina, having another chance to win the east by beating Vandy and you lose to them too, no excuses.

I don't know who TN can get to coach, I know it's not Manning or Gruden, who's to even say they would make a good College coach. I know there has to be somebody out there that can give TN a chance to win the East every 3 or 4 years and win the SEC every 6-8 years or so, I don't think that is to unreasonable to ask. Especially right now while the east division is way down.

All I know is it was a big mistake to fire Fulmer, I was against it from the get go. I'm ready for this nightmare of the last 10 years to be over.

 

[THEdonkey0515]

Flags usually not thrown during last plays.

Remember the Clemson pick play? How about the Miami kickoff return against duke?

Bottom line they 9 seconds left don't let a UF WR run 50 yards down field get behind you & catch the game winning TD especially the Best WR UF has might wanna watch him closely lol. Not like it was a Hail Mary and the dude out jumped 5 Vols to catch it.The vols just left him open. Same thing happend last year at UGA they just left to much time on the clock for the vols to throw up prayer.

 

[gator-n-buck]

Zook was a great recruiter and loaded up Meyers first N/C team. The problem Zoom ran into was being and avg. Coach and an off field altercation with some students on campus. Finding a diamond in the rough like Meyer is rare.

 

[PalsPal]

We could get Fulmer back pretty easily op: !

 

[Hillbilly Hunter]

Talk about the first and goal from the one, a run play WAS called! Dormady audibled out of run because they had 9 in the box. Kid made a big mistake, unless it was caught.