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Spurhunter":2ns2yh4a said:
PalsPal":2ns2yh4a said:
Setterman":2ns2yh4a said:
Take it and all the plastic turkeys to where they belong....the landfill.

Nice try. Standard decoys aren't going anywhere.

Which is a shame. If folks had to kill turkeys without plastic toys we wouldn't have so many googans in the woods. I don't have a big problem with hen decoys (although I think it's silly that some folks can't sit down and make a call without a plastic turkey looking back at them) but the strutting toms and fanning need to go. And I'd be good if all decoys were outlawed. I think our sport would be much more healthy if people had to learn how to hunt. But you are correct. It'll never happen. Just like our stupid fall season, legal slaughter of hens, 6 week season (7 if you count juvenile), and not protecting jakes, Tennessee is more interested in "opportunities for enjoyment" than anything else. But that's a debate for another day.
decoys are far from the reason for googans. Most of the guys who cause me trouble on wmas are running around causing trouble, cutting people off, etc, not sitting over dekes. The campers aren't much to worry about, only sometimes does a bird stroll into their setup.


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catman529":25fk2uyj said:
decoys are far from the reason for googans. Most of the guys who cause me trouble on wmas are running around causing trouble, cutting people off, etc, not sitting over dekes. The campers aren't much to worry about, only sometimes does a bird stroll into their setup.

As usual you didn't think about what I said. You saw Spur post and wanted to argue his point, right or wrong, as quickly as possible. Me and a couple members here have a running joke that I could post that grass is green and you would immediately argue it is red. Whatever, I was young and knew everything about everything once myself. You'll grow out of it like we all did. My point was, if you care, and I know you don't, that if people had to sit with their back to a tree and call a bird in with no crutches, most googans wouldn't care to hunt. Sometimes that takes a while and they aren't willing to put in the work to do it right. I know a guy that sits in a blind on a food plot full of decoys all season. He kills turkeys and has no interest in learning to hunt. If he had to do it the right way he would quit. As would thousands of others that want everything the easy way.
 
It seems to me that when all is said and done no matter which side of the fence you're on, the real problem here are the hunters doing the shooting. Know your target! That would apply to the use of dekes or not. To take a shot at something because it moves is a disaster waiting to happen. In addition to that if they're firing at a blob but not picking a spot (like a turkey's head) they aren't very ethical hunters.
 
Spurhunter":2711pjr0 said:
catman529":2711pjr0 said:
decoys are far from the reason for googans. Most of the guys who cause me trouble on wmas are running around causing trouble, cutting people off, etc, not sitting over dekes. The campers aren't much to worry about, only sometimes does a bird stroll into their setup.

As usual you didn't think about what I said. You saw Spur post and wanted to argue his point, right or wrong, as quickly as possible. Me and a couple members here have a running joke that I could post that grass is green and you would immediately argue it is red. Whatever, I was young and knew everything about everything once myself. You'll grow out of it like we all did. My point was, if you care, and I know you don't, that if people had to sit with their back to a tree and call a bird in with no crutches, most googans wouldn't care to hunt. Sometimes that takes a while and they aren't willing to put in the work to do it right. I know a guy that sits in a blind on a food plot full of decoys all season. He kills turkeys and has no interest in learning to hunt. If he had to do it the right way he would quit. As would thousands of others that want everything the easy way.
grass is definitely red Spur.


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catman529":nfzfureo said:
grass is definitely red Spur.

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Sometimes it is. But there are few absolutes in this life.
 
Spurhunter":28isrxe4 said:
catman529":28isrxe4 said:
grass is definitely red Spur.

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Sometimes it is. But there are few absolutes in this life.
yea and turkey hunting is no exception...dang birds are making a fool of me this year


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catman529":229qyri2 said:
dang birds are making a fool of me this year

You'll get your fair share. Persistence and patience kill more turkeys than anything else and you have more of those two things than most folks. Much more. I told my cousin over the weekend "if Catman can't kill them he'll worry them to death!"
 
Spurhunter":duy6dskf said:
catman529":duy6dskf said:
dang birds are making a fool of me this year

You'll get your fair share. Persistence and patience kill more turkeys than anything else and you have more of those two things than most folks. Much more. I told my cousin over the weekend "if Catman can't kill them he'll worry them to death!"
lol they're just worried my face mask will drop and they see my mug staring back at them behind a shotgun barrel


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PalsPal":1vxbpvtn said:
Setterman":1vxbpvtn said:
Take it and all the plastic turkeys to where they belong....the landfill.

Nice try. Standard decoys aren't going anywhere. Fanning might be, but these guys weren't fanning as most on here define it, if the story is accurate.

There is a law already in place in Tennessee that would prevent this. It's the one that says it has to have a visible beard.

If decoy users would put their own selfish interests to the side they'd see the impact they have on the population. Removing decoys could drop overall harvest by 50% which after a few years would have wood lots all over the state exploding with workable birds. However, plastic turkey parents are unable or unwilling to part with their crutch and learns how to hunt/kill turkeys in fields. Our culture has become one dependent on guaranteed success and Facebook kill pics. It's sad.
 
Setterman":631x2v4l said:
Our culture has become one dependent on guaranteed success and Facebook kill pics. It's sad.

This is the problem in a nutshell. Everyone wants an easy kill so they can post pics on Facebook. Social media and these idiotic "hunting" shows are ruining hunting. Not just facebook either. This pro staffer/outfitter/hashtag crap is taking over. People can't even post a bird without hashtagging. As far as "pro staffers", if you work a job say as a plumber and hunt on the side, you are a pro staffer at plumbing. Not hunting. If you can't live on your "prostaffing" like say the Bassmaster Elites, then you are just a wannabe and an embarrassment. I took my cousin to my place Friday and he killed a bird. I told him he should post it with #stickerbushoutfitters so we could be like the cool kids. The prior generations of hunters are spinning in their graves at this ridiculous mockery of the great hunting tradition they handed down.
 
Setterman":3du7n1u5 said:
PalsPal":3du7n1u5 said:
Setterman":3du7n1u5 said:
Take it and all the plastic turkeys to where they belong....the landfill.

Nice try. Standard decoys aren't going anywhere. Fanning might be, but these guys weren't fanning as most on here define it, if the story is accurate.

There is a law already in place in Tennessee that would prevent this. It's the one that says it has to have a visible beard.

If decoy users would put their own selfish interests to the side they'd see the impact they have on the population. Removing decoys could drop overall harvest by 50% which after a few years would have wood lots all over the state exploding with workable birds. However, plastic turkey parents are unable or unwilling to part with their crutch and learns how to hunt/kill turkeys in fields. Our culture has become one dependent on guaranteed success and Facebook kill pics. It's sad.
that's a heck of a big generalization to make... I agree about the Facebook kill pic type, but a lot of guys hunt the same way we do and just have decoys as an extra trick in the bag to use sometimes.


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Facebook is no different than posting pics/stories on here. Just another place to share a hunt, if one desires.

As far as those using decoys, why do you care how someone else hunts? I've never understood why someone allows the way others hunt to get a rise out of them. I have more important things in life to occupy my "worry" time than to lower myself to the point of being critical of those who are hunting the way that they enjoy.

In many instances, the guy hunting the food plot that HE paid to establish from a blind and/or with decoys is helping the flock overall more than other hunters.
 
PalsPal":1328vovt said:
Facebook is no different than posting pics/stories on here. Just another place to share a hunt, if one desires.

As far as those using decoys, why do you care how someone else hunts? I've never understood why someone allows the way others hunt to get a rise out of them. I have more important things in life to occupy my "worry" time than to lower myself to the point of being critical of those who are hunting the way that they enjoy.

In many instances, the guy hunting the food plot that HE paid to establish from a blind and/or with decoys is helping the flock overall more than other hunters.

I don't worry about it. I just have a strong opinion about their use as a crutch for hunters who otherwise don't stand a chance on certain birds. For the hunters who can kill them either way it's not an issue so much. For the jack legs that know all they have to do is put out a decoy where a dominant bird is and chances are that with zero woodsmanship, skill, or knowledge of turkeys.

So using your food plot guy as reference if he's such a pillar of excellence what does that make guys like me that do all those things but don't cut corners to kill?
 
A blowhard! Lol, just joking. In my opinion there aren't nearly the birds in any of the places I have hunted in the past. Decoys had nothing to do with their downward spiral. Predators, Fall seasons with the taking of hens, potential loss of nesting areas, and the current bag limits did. I can relate much of this topic to past deer hunting discussions... or arguments... on should one be critical of another's hunting style or choice of game killed.
 
Mike Belt":2lkqfkrk said:
In my opinion there aren't nearly the birds in any of the places I have hunted in the past. Decoys had nothing to do with their downward spiral. Predators, Fall seasons with the taking of hens, potential loss of nesting areas, and the current bag limits did.

Honest question: how do you know? You know something caused the population decline but how can you honestly say one thing did or didn't contribute?
 
Spurhunter":2vpa98jn said:
Mike Belt":2vpa98jn said:
In my opinion there aren't nearly the birds in any of the places I have hunted in the past. Decoys had nothing to do with their downward spiral. Predators, Fall seasons with the taking of hens, potential loss of nesting areas, and the current bag limits did.

Honest question: how do you know? You know something caused the population decline but how can you honestly say one thing did or didn't contribute?
I'll bite...

how long has reaping/fanning been around? 5 or 6 years? Seems like that's about the time I recalled people talking about it. Well, TN's turkey kill total began to decline well before that, but has remained fairly level since the initial decline (from 37,000 birds down to averaging around 31,000 birds) despite fanning.... in other words, the kill did not suddenly go up with the fanning fad.

The biggest problem TN faces in turkey mismanagement is opening the season too early. Let the hens successfully mate, then it's just fine to remove the adult males (as long as jakes are not removed annually). Push the opener back 2 weeks, and I bet we'd see a tremendous increase in poult recruitment. And besides, the hunting is usually much more fun in mid April as long as there are birds that have survived the first 2 week gauntlet.

As far as decoys go, I'd miss having them in my initial morning setup, but for the other 10 hours of the hunting day, I don't use them. I'd be more than happy to give them up for my morning hunt if it would actually make a difference.... but I don't think that is the problem.
 
Mike Belt":l4tzqsxb said:
A blowhard! Lol, just joking. In my opinion there aren't nearly the birds in any of the places I have hunted in the past. Decoys had nothing to do with their downward spiral. Predators, Fall seasons with the taking of hens, potential loss of nesting areas, and the current bag limits did. I can relate much of this topic to past deer hunting discussions... or arguments... on should one be critical of another's hunting style or choice of game killed.
I realize that other factors are effecting the population. But there's no way any one can make the case that decoys aren't causing increased harvest. They're so amazingly effective that it allows very inexperienced hunters and even seasoned hunters to kill the birds that are truly almost impossible to kill. If they aren't so deadly why does every tv show use them on every hunt.
 
Mike Belt":37r8evst said:
It seems to me that when all is said and done no matter which side of the fence you're on, the real problem here are the hunters doing the shooting. Know your target! That would apply to the use of dekes or not. To take a shot at something because it moves is a disaster waiting to happen. In addition to that if they're firing at a blob but not picking a spot (like a turkey's head) they aren't very ethical hunters.

This x 2. The shooter is totally to blame. Be 100 per cent sure of ur target before trigger is pulled. Simple.
 
The decline coincided with the increase of turkey hunters and gadgets. Are either the reason for it? Who knows. Predators have always been where I hunt and I wouldn't say there's more or less now than 25 years ago except for bear numbers which have exploded in just the last 15 years and I could see them being hard on nests. The reason for the decline would be interesting to know but there's way too many variables to be conclusive. One thing that is for sure is turkey killing has gotten much easier

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I fan on private land. But a few years ago, my friend and I moved on a gobbling bird and set in the thick, hoping to draw it over a hump into our laps, no fan involved. After 15 m, the bird had shut up, we think he's coming, and hear a click. Some googan had an 870 pointed at my friend's temple 10 yards away. "I heard clucking." Said the f'er. Scariest crap ever. I know why they'll probably end up banning it
 

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