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[catman529]

I'm curious what percent of people tag out

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I don't remember but I know it's pretty low. However you would still save a lot of birds if you eliminated jakes, fanning, roost shooting etc. there may be few who tag out, but there's a lot more who kill 1 or 2 birds, and some of those wouldn't kill any unless they actually went and hunted for turkeys. Again I wouldn't support these things being outlawed unless the statewide population was proven to be going down for sure and something had to be done.


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[ZachMarkus]

There is a law already in place in Tennessee that would prevent this. It's the one that says it has to have a visible beard.

Exactly, the only "law" we need.

Disagree.......Need one more.......Lower limit to two.

That way we could have many more "Tagged out" people on here! :mrgreen:

personally I'd rather see fanning, roost shooting and jakes outlawed before a bag limit decrease. Maybe I'm just greedy and like my 4 birds. Keep the opportunity the same but decrease the ease of killing so people who want to tag out actually have to hunt them.

All this only if we do have an actual decline statewide. Which I'm not yet convinced it's a statewide problem.


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I'm curious what percent of people tag out

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A lot of people tag out now days since fanning has became so popular. I personally know 5 people that have tagged out this year from behind a fan and two of those people has killed over their limit.


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[TheLBLman]

A lot of people tag out now days since fanning has became so popular.
I personally know 5 people that have tagged out this year from behind a fan
and two of those people has killed over their limit.

My take is many of these same people would be "lucky" to kill "a" turkey without the "fanning".
While it can be an effective tactic, the looming question is do we really want it to remain legal?

The official turkey harvest numbers miss a couple big items:

1) Some (or many) of the most avid turkey hunters don't check in all the birds they kill --- it's dishonest, but they rationalize as ok, just as some rationalize their trespassing and poaching as being ok.

2) Wounded birds.
How many birds gets shot at, presumed missed, but later die from a single pellet in their gut?
I believe this is a much higher loss rate than many would like to think.
The longer our season, the higher our limit, the more this happens as well.

Along with the presumed "misses" of targeted birds, I believe the collateral damage hits may also be quite high,
from birds in the background being hit by a single pellet.
Many of these are hens.

A single pellet hit, even one that doesn't appear mortal, can become infected, and lead to a bird's death,
whether via that infection directly, or by making that bird more vulnerable to predation.
Even a trace scent of blood will draw a coyote.

 

[TheLBLman]

One of the issues I have with the "fanning" tactic is I believe it results in more low-percentage shots being taken,
with less awareness of what's in the background.

Being careful NOT to kill two birds with one shot, or not hit a hen in the background,
is often an issue even when much more time is available to carefully plan that shot.
Based on some of the videos many "fanners" have posted,
they miss a lot, and shoot a lot with other birds downrange of their primary target.

They also destroy a lot of meat with close-range breast shots rather than carefully placed head shots.
Obviously, many using this technique do not plan to eat what they kill.

 

[ZachMarkus]

A lot of people tag out now days since fanning has became so popular.
I personally know 5 people that have tagged out this year from behind a fan
and two of those people has killed over their limit.

My take is many of these same people would be "lucky" to kill "a" turkey without the "fanning".
While it can be an effective tactic, the looming question is do we really want it to remain legal?

The official turkey harvest numbers miss a couple big items:

1) Some (or many) of the most avid turkey hunters don't check in all the birds they kill --- it's dishonest, but they rationalize as ok, just as some rationalize their trespassing and poaching as being ok.

2) Wounded birds.
How many birds gets shot at, presumed missed, but later die from a single pellet in their gut?
I believe this is a much higher loss rate than many would like to think.
The longer our season, the higher our limit, the more this happens as well.

Along with the presumed "misses" of targeted birds, I believe the collateral damage hits may also be quite high,
from birds in the background being hit by a single pellet.
Many of these are hens.

A single pellet hit, even one that doesn't appear mortal, can become infected, and lead to a bird's death,
whether via that infection directly, or by making that bird more vulnerable to predation.
Even a trace scent of blood will draw a coyote.

I agree 100%


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[Spurhunter]

Lbl man makes some interesting points. I would guess that advertising like Winchester's and the use of heavier than lead adds to the birds that die later from unethical shots. I had to get off of every single Fakebook page about turkey hunting because of the weekly question "what's the furthest you've killed a turkey?"

 

[ZachMarkus]

Lbl man makes some interesting points. I would guess that advertising like Winchester's and the use of heavier than lead adds to the birds that die later from unethical shots. I had to get off of every single Fakebook page about turkey hunting because of the weekly question "what's the furthest you've killed a turkey?"

I saw some of those. The comments blew my mind. I couldn't believe that there are that many people out there taking 80+ yards shots with a shot gun. One guy said he killed one at 96 yards.


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[Spurhunter]

Lbl man makes some interesting points. I would guess that advertising like Winchester's and the use of heavier than lead adds to the birds that die later from unethical shots. I had to get off of every single Fakebook page about turkey hunting because of the weekly question "what's the furthest you've killed a turkey?"

I saw some of those. The comments blew my mind. I couldn't believe that there are that many people out there taking 80+ yards shots with a shot gun. One guy said he killed one at 96 yards.


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I assume most of them are full of crap and don't know 50 yards from 80 but it's more proof these idiots didn't have a mentor teach them the right way.

 

[catman529]

One of the issues I have with the "fanning" tactic is I believe it results in more low-percentage shots being taken,
with less awareness of what's in the background.

Being careful NOT to kill two birds with one shot, or not hit a hen in the background,
is often an issue even when much more time is available to carefully plan that shot.
Based on some of the videos many "fanners" have posted,
they miss a lot, and shoot a lot with other birds downrange of their primary target.

They also destroy a lot of meat with close-range breast shots rather than carefully placed head shots.
Obviously, many using this technique do not plan to eat what they kill.

yea that bothers me too. When I killed my bird fanning I let him get to 18 yards and shot him in the head like normal. I didn't want to have him on top of me and then miss


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[Setterman]

The long range stuff pisses me off far more then anything else. It's a clear sign of someone who doesn't enjoy the game and really has little regard for the bird. The shell companies should be ashamed of their promotional support of these measures.

I won't call out a bird killed over decoys usually but will blast a long range kill with no remorse. I can easily kill with my set up at 45 or so but that's not how this game is played

 

[TheLBLman]

. . . . many people out there taking 80+ yards shots with a shot gun.
One guy said he killed one at 96 yards.

I suspect for every turkey killed at over 55 yards (or so),
there are several wounded (just takes a single pellet to that soft gut)
which die (unrecovered, unseen) within the next few days.

IMO, the only way to significantly reduce the wounding losses (statewide)
is with a shorter turkey season.

I think the season-setting "managers" may be overlooking the significance of these wounding losses.
Again, a lot of these losses are hens in the background, not just targeted birds.

Some in Kentucky believe the shorter season (there) equals fewer googans afield,
and a lot fewer wounding losses.
With half the time, and half the limit on turkeys, seems plausible.

 

[timberghost35]

I saw a dude post on one of the turkey groups on facebook how he just killed 2 jakes with one shot and was happy as he could be about it. I took it that he pretty much tried to do it and had somehow succeeded. A ton of people were telling he would prolly be getting a visit by the GW in a few mins....

 

[Cuttin]

. . . . many people out there taking 80+ yards shots with a shot gun.
One guy said he killed one at 96 yards.

I suspect for every turkey killed at over 55 yards (or so),
there are several wounded (just takes a single pellet to that soft gut)
which die (unrecovered, unseen) within the next few days.

IMO, the only way to significantly reduce the wounding losses (statewide)
is with a shorter turkey season.

I think the season-setting "managers" may be overlooking the significance of these wounding losses.
Again, a lot of these losses are hens in the background, not just targeted birds.

Some in Kentucky believe the shorter season (there) equals fewer googans afield,
and a lot fewer wounding losses.
With half the time, and half the limit on turkeys, seems plausible.

I have to agree with LBLMan about the longer shots and potentially wounded birds. Several years ago I shot at a longbeard where I missed judged the distance.
I thought he was inside 40 yards, but later stepped it off at closer to 55 yards (it was opening day and I was amped up to shoot one). He didn't act hurt when he ran off
and later I am pretty sure it was him who gobbled a time or two in the hollow that he ran down into.

It was about week or so later, I called in 3 longbeards very close to that same spot. Shot one of them. When I dressed him, one side of his breast was
black and green and it smelled bad. Outside of that the bird looked fine, acted fine, gobbled, and strutted on the way in. I am convinced that it was the
same bird that I "missed" on opening day. It would have been the same side as the side that I shot at. I believe that bird would have probably died later from
infection if I had not shot him.