Setterman
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Goodtimekiller":1euegoaa said:
There ya go! :rotf:
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There ya go! :rotf:
This topic is a slippery slope no matter how you dice it, but the million dollar question is how many people know EXACTLY where "the line" is at, or better yet, within 4-5 feet. I have a small family farm that I hunt that has not been surveyed since WW2, nor have the surrounding properties, so I somewhat know where the lines are, but by no means are all of my interpretations within 4-5 feet. With that said, most places I hunt do not have "the line" marked so precisely that I would know exactly where the line is. Some places (established fence rows, field edges, recently surveyed land with witness posts and flagging, etc), yes, but the middle of big hardwoods where I like to hunt, not so much.Setterman":2ofkhvl8 said:
NoSetterman":34bn48v9 said:
I'm really surprised by this. If you was to ask me who are the top 4 members concerned most with our resources, you would be one of them. I know the good you've done with turning poachers in and calling a poacher a poacher.Setterman":34bn48v9 said:
But, whether you like it or not, you are a role model to some of the folks on this forum. By condoning this behavior, you have influenced what some of these members perceive as being "OK". We are all human. Life would be really boring if all we ever did was the "right" thing. But sometimes you should think before you post because your perceived actions have a huge influence on the behavior of others.
fairchaser
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The integrity of hunters is being constantly challenged and when you consider the time, effort and money we put into this sport, it just adds to the pressure of success. All of us have fudged somewhere and in some cases we have gone way across the line. Mostly, we don't intend to but we get put into a situation where we are so focused on our quarry we forget why we are there and what we are doing. For me, I have to decide what kind of person I am and what I won't do if put into a questionable situation. Even then it tough because every situation is different. Maybe it's taking the best position in a duck blind over a young hunter. Maybe it's driving roads for turkeys when you might be tempted to jump out and shoot something. Aldo Leopold said that no hunters' integrity is tested as much as seeing a line of quail marching single file down a corn row. I wouldn't shoot across a property line and pray I don't ever have to make a choice in the heat of the moment.
Fairchaser is my name and my game.
Fairchaser is my name and my game.
Mike Belt
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If you're aware of where the property line is and you have discussed and okayed this with said neighbor then I see no problem in shooting a bird under these conditions. If the situation between you and your neighbor is dicey at best I wouldn't shoot and especially if I was hunting on land by lease or permission. No game is worth possibly losing a hunting property or creating a situation between the land owners. The same can be said for deer hunting. I've never killed a buck that would score in the high 150's or low 160's but had one walk off us and across the property bordering ours. I watched him through the scope and wanted to shoot him so bad I could taste it as I let him go.
megalomaniac
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Honestly, it depends on which property line 
I never cross off my property to chase a bird- that can get dangerous real quick, but I have some great neighbors that we have a mutual agreement that it would be fine to shoot one on the line. I also have some neighbors that are anti-hunting or whom I do not have a good relationship with I would NEVER shoot across the line. But it usually isn't an issue. I know where all the fence crossing are (I've made half of them myself), so I have never had a bird that wanted to come in hang up on the fenceline when I'm set up 45 yards off the line calling him to me. Heck, I've had 10 or 15 birds fly OVER the fence to come to me and get shot on my side of the line. If I were on public land, I would never shoot onto private, as I more than likely wouldn't know the owner of the private personally.
In my mind, it is almost as much of a safety issue as a landowner rights issue. I sure wouldn't appreciate someone shooting a bird just on my side of the fence I was working him, potentially spraying pellets toward me. Probably wouldn't bother me at all as long as I wasn't there. But there's no way to know if someone else is just over the fenceline when the two hunters are on completely different properties.
I never cross off my property to chase a bird- that can get dangerous real quick, but I have some great neighbors that we have a mutual agreement that it would be fine to shoot one on the line. I also have some neighbors that are anti-hunting or whom I do not have a good relationship with I would NEVER shoot across the line. But it usually isn't an issue. I know where all the fence crossing are (I've made half of them myself), so I have never had a bird that wanted to come in hang up on the fenceline when I'm set up 45 yards off the line calling him to me. Heck, I've had 10 or 15 birds fly OVER the fence to come to me and get shot on my side of the line. If I were on public land, I would never shoot onto private, as I more than likely wouldn't know the owner of the private personally.In my mind, it is almost as much of a safety issue as a landowner rights issue. I sure wouldn't appreciate someone shooting a bird just on my side of the fence I was working him, potentially spraying pellets toward me. Probably wouldn't bother me at all as long as I wasn't there. But there's no way to know if someone else is just over the fenceline when the two hunters are on completely different properties.
Setterman
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I've put some additional thought into this and it all depends on the property and how the boundary is marked. If it's an assumed boundary that's not blazed, fenced, or posed then no way. If someone has gone to the trouble to establish a boundary then it deserves respect. If it's just an arbitrary "top of the hill" type of boundary with no designation then possibly as it's not clear where exactly the boundary is.
In Georgia my property has a high tension line and naturally I've got deer stands on it. I can easily see and shoot onto neighbors but have never and would never. Even though one is a true ahole. None of my stands are closer than 200 yards to the line but with a rifle it doesn't matter until I push past 350 yards.
In Georgia my property has a high tension line and naturally I've got deer stands on it. I can easily see and shoot onto neighbors but have never and would never. Even though one is a true ahole. None of my stands are closer than 200 yards to the line but with a rifle it doesn't matter until I push past 350 yards.
TheLBLman
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I am also surprised by some of the responses.AT Hiker":xpoyyl1f said:
How many times have so many of us said "We hate a thief"?
Or, "I hate a poacher"?
Please tell me how poaching a bird on someone else's private property (when you don't have permission)
isn't both stealing and poaching?
Am not talking about an arbitrary line where the animal or bird is standing,
but when you know it's on the other side.
How is this any different than saying I'd steal or poach anything
so long as I felt I wouldn't get caught?
To me, doing this is far worse than any type legal hunting tactic we might otherwise feel is unethical.
Setterman
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TheLBLman":3vkmafw6 said:
You are exactly right it is poaching and I hate poachers. As I said last night it's a situation I've never experienced and was just expressing my thoughts without carefully thinking it through
So many have put it in perspective that it makes sense now and as I just said don't ever see it happening
TheLBLman
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OK, Setterman, you have vindicated yourself.
But others have stated, just boils down to whether they felt they would get caught, or not.
But others have stated, just boils down to whether they felt they would get caught, or not.
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TheLBLman
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Speaking of "carefully thinking it through . . . . . "
Trespassing on property you don't have permission to be is also illegal.
If you set yourself up hunting right on a property line,
whatever you shoot, even on your side of a line,
is likely to die on the other side,
where you cannot legally retrieve it.
Archery shot deer commonly have a 100-yard-plus death run,
which can be in any direction.
The issue may be more significant with bowhunting deer than turkey hunting,
but is something to be thinking about no matter what you're hunting.
If you think this isn't a big deal,
go shoot a deer on your own property bordering a national wildlife refuge (that's closed to hunting),
and see what happens if you get caught retrieving it (without prior permission).
Trespassing on property you don't have permission to be is also illegal.
If you set yourself up hunting right on a property line,
whatever you shoot, even on your side of a line,
is likely to die on the other side,
where you cannot legally retrieve it.
Archery shot deer commonly have a 100-yard-plus death run,
which can be in any direction.
The issue may be more significant with bowhunting deer than turkey hunting,
but is something to be thinking about no matter what you're hunting.
If you think this isn't a big deal,
go shoot a deer on your own property bordering a national wildlife refuge (that's closed to hunting),
and see what happens if you get caught retrieving it (without prior permission).
I get the arbitrary line situation (grey area if you will) Honestly, on my on family farm, we have fences that are not necessarily the property line. Hunting big hardwoods that have no identified line/boundary marker can be tricky. However, logically speaking I'm not risking it as it just doesn't feel right. Now, if I was much young and dumber....that's for another thread.
Most years I hunt "Out West" more so than I do here. Boundary lines are often poorly marked and public lands can be tricky to navigate. Even private land owners try to stake claim to public lands. Between my OnxMaps, GPS and printed maps along with many years of learning how to navigate these lands I've grown accustomed to making it a priority to know boundaries. I've been tempted many times with a nice pronghorn literally standing on the line and more than once a true trophy of a mule deer skirting the boundary. Not being 100% certain I passed and never got another chance at them. Could I have gotten away with it? Probably, 6 miles from a paved road in the least populated state...I'd say my odds of getting away with it are good. But it just doesn't feel right and at this stage in the game for me...I'm passed those chapters.
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Most years I hunt "Out West" more so than I do here. Boundary lines are often poorly marked and public lands can be tricky to navigate. Even private land owners try to stake claim to public lands. Between my OnxMaps, GPS and printed maps along with many years of learning how to navigate these lands I've grown accustomed to making it a priority to know boundaries. I've been tempted many times with a nice pronghorn literally standing on the line and more than once a true trophy of a mule deer skirting the boundary. Not being 100% certain I passed and never got another chance at them. Could I have gotten away with it? Probably, 6 miles from a paved road in the least populated state...I'd say my odds of getting away with it are good. But it just doesn't feel right and at this stage in the game for me...I'm passed those chapters.
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UpperTully
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I've come into this scenario twice this year. It's dang tempting. Once he crosses the line he's dead. If not, he walks.
catman529
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so is doing 80 in a 70, I don't think anyone here is saying it's OK to shoot across the line, but many people would do it anyway if the bird was just a few feet across and they could grab the bird within a couple steps.AT Hiker":32350iqy said:
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catman529":vmk6vi8d said:
Or 71 in a 70 for that matter. Crossing the boundary knowingly and chasing one on the neighbors is like driving 80 in a 55 and shooting one 5 yards across the line in 71 in an 70. I wouldn't go near the line with a neighbor who I had problems with, but one I had a god relationship with, I'd tell him what I did. He may say don't ever do that again, and I'd say understood, let's have a Guinness. He may say he could care less (which is most likely with my neighbors since none of them hunt) let's have a Guinness.
Boll Weevil
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Not sure what else to add to this discussion other than, to be right honest I'm a little surprised at some of the responses as well.
fairchaser
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Reminds me of a time duck hunting when the duck fell across the line and the neighbor met me there when I went to get my duck. He said it was his duck but I could have it on one condition. That was if we could trade blows and he went first. After he hit me square in the jaw and knocked me out, I woke up and thought great it's my turn to hit him. He just smiled and said ok, it's your duck. I don't hunt near the line anymore.
