Would you shoot?

[megalomaniac]

I'll add something else.... for some reason, many hunters feel it is ok to blur the lines when it comes to turkey hunting. Those same hunters draw a hard line when it comes to other game (esp deer). I have no idea why, but I've had way more problems with turkey poachers than deer poachers. Shooting game from the truck on a public road seems equal between the two, however.

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[megalomaniac]

I'm shocked by some of these responses. Blatantly knowing and shooting one on property you don't have permission to is illegal.


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so is doing 80 in a 70, I don't think anyone here is saying it's OK to shoot across the line, but many people would do it anyway if the bird was just a few feet across and they could grab the bird within a couple steps.


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Yep... Knowing you are over the speed limit is breaking the law as well. Do any of you all go over the speed limit know you are speeding?

It's not an issue of what's legal vs what's illegal. It's an issue of what's right vs wrong. Comparing poaching to speeding is simply an invalid comparison.

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[REN]

I'll add something else.... for some reason, many hunters feel it is ok to blur the lines when it comes to turkey hunting. Those same hunters draw a hard line when it comes to other game (esp deer). I have no idea why, but I've had way more problems with turkey poachers than deer poachers. Shooting game from the truck on a public road seems equal between the two, however.

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easy answer, turkeys are way easier to get out of the woods quickly and they have very little chance of running off so no tracking involved.

 

[TreyB]

No it's valid... is it legal to shoot across a line? Is it right to go over the speed limit knowingly?

 

[AT Hiker]

I'm shocked by some of these responses. Blatantly knowing and shooting one on property you don't have permission to is illegal.


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so is doing 80 in a 70, I don't think anyone here is saying it's OK to shoot across the line, but many people would do it anyway if the bird was just a few feet across and they could grab the bird within a couple steps.


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Are we driving in a state that has a presumed, absolute or basic speed limit? [emoji14]




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[Bone Collector]

I had to do it this year already once and I have only seen a tom 2x on all the hunts I've been on.

The first time i was merely observing him and the hens, so i was literally right in side my property line and my neighbors driveway (dirt farm road) runs down the border. On the other side is another property. I was waiting to see where they roosted. He was on that with 5 hens, but ultimately they came through a dried creek and popped up to my right on my neighbors driveway about 25 yds away. I let him walk.

I did get him (I assume) Monday evening. This time he came onto my property and I shot him.

That being said it was tough to let him walk out of there the first time.

 

[woodsman04]

Don't know what I'd do. Probably shoot it. And if someone did that to me, unless I was in direct line of fire and he did it knowingly i was there, I'd be ok.

It amazes me how everybody acts like they are perfect on this forum and never ever break any law or sin their entire life. Poaching is bad. Trespassing is bad. I agree. And poaching is probably worse than someone driving five mph over the speed limit.

How many of you drank under age? How many of you speed and don't buckle up and never think about it? How many cheated on test in high school or college? How many have shot a squirrel when it isn't squirrel season? How many "forgot" to wear hunter orange during deer season? How many have hunted baited fields during dove season?

None of those I would compare even remotely as bad as shooting a dang turkey 5 yards across a property line.

I guess this is a world and hunting forum full of perfect people.







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[AT Hiker]

Looks like the Straw Man is about to make an appearance.

Like LBLman has already mentioned in one post, conservationists and hunters are not mutually inclusive like many would think.


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[megalomaniac]

I'll add something else.... for some reason, many hunters feel it is ok to blur the lines when it comes to turkey hunting. Those same hunters draw a hard line when it comes to other game (esp deer). I have no idea why, but I've had way more problems with turkey poachers than deer poachers. Shooting game from the truck on a public road seems equal between the two, however.

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easy answer, turkeys are way easier to get out of the woods quickly and they have very little chance of running off so no tracking involved.

I'm sure that accounts for some.... but there seems to be a more prevalent mentality of going after a gobbling bird no matter where he is. Perhaps the temptation of going 150 yds across the line for a turkey bc you know he is there vs trespassing to poach when you don't even know if one is there or not. Lord knows I've been tempted to jump over a fence and go after a hot bird.... it has crossed my mind. But I wouldn't ever do it. But it never even enters my mind to jump a fence for deer

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[TheLBLman]

It amazes me how everybody acts like they are perfect on this forum and never ever break any law or sin their entire life.

I don't see that everyone is acting like that at all.
And don't think any of us believe we're perfect.
Some of us are just trying to have learned from our past mistakes.

Actually, maybe more on this forum have stated they would poach a turkey,
so long as they think they could get away with it?

Poaching is bad. Trespassing is bad. I agree.
And poaching is probably worse than someone driving five mph over the speed limit.

Looks like most of us agree on this.
But some still say, nevertheless, they would poach, or steal, just so long as they think they won't be caught?

How many of you drank under age? How many of you speed and don't buckle up and never think about it? How many cheated on test in high school or college? How many have shot a squirrel when it isn't squirrel season? How many "forgot" to wear hunter orange during deer season? How many have hunted baited fields during dove season?

Do two wrongs make a right?
We looking forward or looking backwards?

Look, I don't believe anyone has come across to claim themselves without sin.
But rationalizing one's personal decisions to cheat or steal will never make it right.

 

[TheLBLman]

I have no idea why, but I've had way more problems with turkey poachers than deer poachers.

easy answer, turkeys are way easier to get out of the woods quickly and they have very little chance of running off so no tracking involved.

I'm sure that accounts for some.... but there seems to be a more prevalent mentality of going after a gobbling bird no matter where he is. Perhaps the temptation of going 150 yds across the line for a turkey bc you know he is there vs trespassing to poach when you don't even know if one is there or not.

Logical reasons for this,
but they all center around less chance of getting caught poaching a turkey than poaching a deer.

Including, a turkey poacher is not "suspect" just for being in full camo;
a deer hunter may be "suspect" just for not wearing orange.

 

[AT Hiker]

Maybe I'm missing the point...but is there a difference in knowingly shooting a deer, within rifle range, across the boundary vs shooting a turkey knowingly across the boundary?

I would like to think most of us would agree that knowingly shooting a deer, say 50 yards, across the boundary is clearly poaching.

Maybe my expectations are erroneously exaggerated.


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[Mike Belt]

I suspect that since turkey hunters are mobile rather than deer hunters on a stand it might be why there are those that could cross over onto another property and back with a bird more so than deer hunters.

 

[Grnwing]

Not sure how many folks on here are land owners but having respect for your neighbors property is important to me and therefore I wouldn't take any shot that wasn't ethical or legal across a property line. If you have neighbors permission, shoot away! I enjoy chasing the birds as much as anyone, but I love being able to sleep at night knowing I did the right thing. I am surprised to see how many are willing to blur the line between, jmo.

 

[BackwoodsBoy]

I think y'all are being bit harsh , I don't know setterman from Adam , but I like the way he hunts turkey

Cmon folks we are talking straight up honesty , let's say a 170" buck is 5 yards past the line wide open ..,. I doubt anyone would pass ...this topic was a bit tongue in cheek but honestly for me it would depend on the adjoining property ... I passed one this year with this situation but that property was a farm with a house and obvious reasons not to shoot, now if it is a property with distant landowners or in an heir ship or something (very common here) yea I'll take the shot IMO

 

[cozy23]

Passed 2 opportunities this year where they were on the other side of the fence. One came within 10 ft of me on the other side. Had a clear shot once I saw him but just can't bring myself to do that.

I'm surprised at some that have said they would shoot. At first when I read some of those posts I thought "maybe I should've taken the shots". But NO, I won't do it. I just couldn't feel good about doing that.

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[Buzzard Breath]

Our turkeys don't have a chance. I have no idea why we are worrying ourselves over limits, decoys, reaping, etc when poaching is so accepted. I can't blame TWRA for not being more proactive when it comes to the regulations. It sounds like it's a loosing proposition.

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[catman529]

I'm shocked by some of these responses. Blatantly knowing and shooting one on property you don't have permission to is illegal.


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so is doing 80 in a 70, I don't think anyone here is saying it's OK to shoot across the line, but many people would do it anyway if the bird was just a few feet across and they could grab the bird within a couple steps.


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Are we driving in a state that has a presumed, absolute or basic speed limit? [emoji14]




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I see more gray area in the speed limit than I do in trespassing on someone's land... [emoji1]


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[catman529]

Maybe I'm missing the point...but is there a difference in knowingly shooting a deer, within rifle range, across the boundary vs shooting a turkey knowingly across the boundary?

I would like to think most of us would agree that knowingly shooting a deer, say 50 yards, across the boundary is clearly poaching.

Maybe my expectations are erroneously exaggerated.


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shooting a deer that is 50 yards across the line and will most likely run farther to die is a whole different game than shooting a turkey where you will take 2 steps across the line to retrieve. Neither one is right, but one is a lot worse than the other, and the other is a lot easier for anyone to do and get away with and not cause any trouble.


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[TreyB]

I think y'all are being bit harsh , I don't know setterman from Adam , but I like the way he hunts turkey

Cmon folks we are talking straight up honesty , let's say a 170" buck is 5 yards past the line wide open ..,. I doubt anyone would pass ...this topic was a bit tongue in cheek but honestly for me it would depend on the adjoining property ... I passed one this year with this situation but that property was a farm with a house and obvious reasons not to shoot, now if it is a property with distant landowners or in an heir ship or something (very common here) yea I'll take the shot IMO

Duck

:tu: but I agree as well. Easy to say u wouldn't on here until it happens. I was honest with my answer like some others. I've never been put in that situation before and honestly I hope I don't for that turkeys sake.