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2 predictions for 2018 turkey season

scn":3bhhfr6u said:
Daniel90":3bhhfr6u said:
Know one guy who has already killed 7 or 8 this year. . . . . . And I guarantee he will kill at least 10 to 15 more. I believe this is what is hurting the population where I'm at. However I refuse to turn him in bc it's not really my business just frustrating when I get 3 pics of 3 different gobblers dead in one day

Total bullshyt that it isn't your business. You can choose to be part of the problem or part of a solution. You keeping quiet shows you side with the poaching game hogs.
Totally agree with SCN.
Perhaps I've overlooked many the more typical or average hunters have been aiding & abetting the most ardent poachers' get-away.
Daniel, your attitude about this, imo, is little different than the person driving the get-away car for some bank robbers,
then claiming he had nothing to do with the robbery.

These kinda of poaching stories and attitudes by their friends
certainly adds more fuel to the recommendation of shortening turkey season
as a part of the solution to reduce poaching.

It's much easier to catch a turkey poacher when the season is closed.
 
woodsman04":3ooy55zc said:
Get rid of the fans and he couldn't kill 10-15....




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Poachers are gonna still use fans, bait, electronic calls, .22s from the road. The ones that brag and send pics will eventually get caught. I'm more worried about the diehard real hunters who live for the kill to cap a hunt that don't stop at 4. No way to stop them from killing or jumping fences.

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megalomaniac":cql7gt0g said:
woodsman04":cql7gt0g said:
Get rid of the fans and he couldn't kill 10-15....




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Poachers are gonna still use fans, bait, electronic calls, .22s from the road. The ones that brag and send pics will eventually get caught. I'm more worried about the diehard real hunters who live for the kill to cap a hunt that don't stop at 4. No way to stop them from killing or jumping fences.

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I agree was just seeing the responses. About like asking to take guns away hoping it solves crime and murders.


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I believe TWRA would be blown away by the sheer number of turkeys that are not checked-in/tagged each year. I'm not referencing just this year but the post about people killing 10-15 just made me think of it.
I do not fall in this category as I always check in but if you think about it, it is so easy for a hunter not to tag a turkey. #1 with online check-in, if a hunter gets home with a turkey without being checked by a game warden and hasn't checked in his bird yet, it becomes so easy to just not do it. #2 - turkeys, unlike deer do not have to be processed for the meat. Deer must have a confirmation # to take a deer to a processor (helps more deer being tagged IMO).
 
the only way to help stop poachers is turn their sorry a$$ in, one gamewarden cant be everywhere all the time, put his number in your phone, see bait call him, see tresspassers call him,see poaching call him, hear of poaching or not tagging call him. as andy told aunt b just call the man!!!!
 
Boom, mike drop :)

got #1.... still waiting on #2... lots of chatter out there, I think there will be a change in the regs to appease the masses, if not, we will have a new state turkey biologist. The new guy is not bad, WAY better than the one we had back in the 90's, so I kinda hate to see him go.
 
Andy S.":3dscnmpf said:
For those who look at the past 5-15 years data as a guideline as to what the statewide population is like today, I want to hear your opinion below. Personally, I am not a big fan of looking at "checked in data" as a true indicator of what the overall population is doing. Yes, it's better than nothing, but as discussed in this thread, there are just too many variables as to what makes up the "checked-in data", and those variables change year to year, and for sure change drastically over 5-10 years. LBLMan has eluded to a lot of them as far as the hunters being more efficient with decoys, HTL shot, tight chokes, etc, and in turn, this high "hunter efficiency" typically leads to success, which in turn leads to those same successful hunters returning next year, and out years with continued success, albeit on a "possible" lower statewide turkey population. In contrast, if you remove all of these "advancements" that make more of the turkey hunters successful, hunters do not kill as many birds this year, I suspect you lose some hunters next year and even more in out years due to be unsuccessful and no fun while afield. In turn, the turkey population likely thrives more so than the previous example I outlined (high efficient hunters = success = continued success = continuous hunter recruitment in out years = higher pressure on birds for years to come).

So back to using the statewide kill data (checked-in data) as a guideline for managing the flock and instituting changes, or not.

If you were the statewide turkey biologist in 2002, and you had this "harvest/checked-in data" in front of you as a guideline, what would your opinion of the population be? Would you recommend any changes? More restrictions? More liberal bag limits? Anything? Let's hear your thoughts. There is no right or wrong answer, so fire away.

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sorry Andy, I wasn't ignoring this post... just wanted to give my secrets away after the season ended....

when looking at the graphs, you are making the same mistake that 99% of other hunters, and 95% of biologists make... you are looking at harvest numbers for turkeys and extrapolating them to population numbers (like deer biologists do). While they DO correlate, they correlate from the population 2 years prior. For turkeys, you have to understand their population fluctuates WILDLY from year to year, and can fluctuate ASTRONOMICALLY in 2 years.

I knew this year was going to be a disaster because we were coming off 2 consecutive years of terrible hatches. The statewide population was already in decline, but the kill was artificially elevated last year from the incredible hatch we had 3 years ago. To manage turkeys, you have to realize the standing population is ALL about the hatch. You have to be able to make adjustments/ tweaks to the season/ limits on the fly. You just can't manage them like deer and not expect (or hope, as TWRA has done) to have wild swings in population (and therefore available gobblers to kill).
 

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