Fightin words around here. Every turkey I've ever killed going on 23 years of hunting them has been down the bead of my 835. When I say you couldn't give me a gun to replace it, I mean it. Mines been beat, submerged, ran over, used to clear paths, used as an oar, been frozen, fell over, dropped, dirty, abused…. And functioned better than new every single time. No shotgun made could handle the abuse an 835 will take. I shoot 3" shells in mine, I don't think the recoil is any different than 3" shells in my 1187 that flash rusts if it whiffs outside air. The safety location is so much better than the Remingtons, same reason I went mossberg for my home defense gun. And rattles? The tiniest bit of paying attention resolves any rattles… but then again I drive a 97 f350 daily so maybe I'm desensitized a bit. One thing for sure, Donald Trump was right when he said the 835 was the greatest turkey killer ever produced.