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Vermin93":165emc5r said:
This helps explain why Bammers claim bogus national championships. [emoji38]
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Zulu":32y4xevj said:
OHVATN":32y4xevj said:
But, let's stop the nonsense of SEC and particularly Alabama fans using SoS to separate their favorite team from others.
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I realize that SoS is far from perfect, but how would you propose differentiating between two 12-1 teams who never play each other?

I think that a combination of "official" SoS (opponents' records multiplied by their opponents' records) and what some people call Quality Wins (I prefer Marquee Wins -- think it sounds cooler) can give a pretty good picture of teams with similar records.

That being said, Oklahoma is very strong in both Marquee Wins and SoS.
Alabama is very strong in SoS and fairly weak in Marquee Wins.
The Big 10 Champ will be fairly (MSU) or very (Iowa) weak in SoS and strong (MSU) or fairly strong (Iowa) in Marquee Wins.

So, that being said and again assuming that both Clemson and Bama win, I think the final four may very well be:

1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Alabama
4. Big 10 champ

with a good possibility of 3 and 4 swapping places and even a chance of Oklahoma taking #1 if Clemson looks bad but still wins against UNC.

Using the same criteria, Ohio State is fairly weak in both SoS and Marquee wins, but I can see them squeaking into 4th if either Clemson or Alabama stumbles.
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I don't know. That's not my job nor my expertise (if I have one). Marquee wins is equally as flawed for different reasons. As Vermin has pointed out, if you are an Alabama fan, you claim marquee wins based on an opponent's rank the day you played them when that should be determined at year end (as should SoS, by the way, in my view). Thus, Ohio State's win over Michigan was not a win over the #10 team; rather, it was a win over a Michigan team ranked #? tomorrow night. Further, since the CFP poll doesn't come out until 3/4ths of the season is over, that's another reason to wait for the final CFP poll whether using SoS, marquee wins, or both. But, that creates a chicken and egg problem does it not? Maybe whatever criteria was used to pick one of the two teams in the 2012 BCS national championship who wasn't a conference champion? They lost a game to a highly ranked team, by 3 points, at home, in bad weather. I don't recall if they were the defending national champion that year.

I honestly believe we are deluding ourselves if we think the "Committee" actually uses all of the data points they claim to use. I guess there could be a sliding scale sort of SoS that they are using. One team's SoS may be strong this week, but next week not as much based on the multiple outcomes that occurred.

Frankly, why do you think Ohio State made it into the CFP last year? Based on what you showed above, it could not have been because Ohio State's SoS was better than TCU's or Baylor's. Was it because of a 59-0 beat down of Wisky? (i.e., the "eye test"?) Maybe. Was it because the Big 12 messed up without a conference championship game? Maybe. I think the real reason is because of Ohio State's brand value. As a brand, Ohio State is equaled only by Notre Dame, Michigan, USC. Alabama doesn't come close. It's a regional brand at best. Clemson, Iowa, Michigan St, TCU, Oregon, Baylor, Oklahoma. Regional at best. Money talks. Ad revenue for ESPN. That's why if Clemson loses, Ohio State is in. Not because of any SoS, marquee wins, conference championship, etc. It's brand baby. (Which is why I laugh at SEC fans who could "care less about basketball." You should, because that builds your school's brand value too. You see, Vanderbilt fans are smart and become your employers because they understand this.)
 
I mean is it really a argument? SEC SEC SEC

OSU opp W/L records
6-6
3-10
8-4
7-5
6-6
3-9
7-5
4-8
5-7
5-7
11-1
9-3

Bama opp W/L records
9-3
7-5
9-3
1-11
9-3
7-5
8-4
8-4
8-3
8-4
9-2
6-6


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mtn cur":uswy9ymk said:
I mean is it really a argument? SEC SEC SEC

OSU opp W/L records
6-6
3-10
8-4
7-5
6-6
3-9
7-5
4-8
5-7
5-7
11-1
9-3

Bama opp W/L records
9-3
7-5
9-3
1-11
9-3
7-5
8-4
8-4
8-3
8-4
9-2
6-6


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Not sure the point you are trying to make.

But I'll give you this, your Yankee coach is good. Too bad he had to leave the north to find success in the SEC.
 
And by the way, I'm not arguing against Alabama. They clearly deserve to be in the top 4, though I might quibble with #2 (even though last year proves it doesn't matter where a team is ranked 1-4). And I'm not arguing for Ohio State. Gotta take care of business.

I expect Sparty to throttle the Hawkeyes just as I expect Alabama to throttle the Gators. I also expect Alabama to lose in the first round again, assuming Sparty wins, and if Alabama plays anyone other than Clemson. Time will tell but I'm sure plenty of Alabama players will receive draft notices from the NFL in mid-December and that's what the Browns former D coordinator used as his excuse last year.
 
cracks me up listening to these OSU folks talk playoffs. who deserves it, who don't.
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mtn cur":14nbnnr3 said:
cracks me up listening to these OSU folks talk playoffs. who deserves it, who don't.
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Huh? That game was early last season....4 months before tOSU rang up over 500 yds against Bammer in the playoff. You're not even in the right year.

Not one of your better efforts, cur.
 
He finally realized he's in love with a Yankee coach and it's got him all discombobulated.

Not sure how "Ohio State blew it" and "Ohio State didn't take care of business" and Alabama "clearly deserve to be in the top 4" gets construed as an argument that OSU should be in and Alabama should not. That's crazy. If I was an Alabama fan, I'd want another crack at OSU.

Vermin, every year the cracks in the aura of the SEC widen farther. I personally consider Colin Cowherd a bloviating blow hard, but he's an influential sports media voice. His rant about the SEC the other day speaks volumes. Since the SEC aura is largely a media creation, it will be similarly destroyed by the media and that appears to be picking up steam. When that finally comes to fruition, the records, scheduling, and losses to lesser teams will expose the SEC as a league with one really good team, some really bad teams, and the rest that are nothing special. As Cowherd said, the B1G, Pac 12, ACC (including ND) and Big 12 each have 2-3 really good teams.
 
Yea the media fabricated the 7 consecutive National championships ending in 2012. You might have an argument that the Gap between the other conferences and the SEC has narrowed in the last 2-3 seasons...but to deny that the SEC hasn't been dominate for the last decade is just crazy-talk.

Hopefully Bama brings the SEC another NC this year. :)

Roll Tide.
 
"Ending in 2012"! :rotf: :rotf: Still living in the past.

Sort of like the Civil War. South won some battles in the Spring of 1863.
 
Nope...Alabama was in the Playoff last year and will be this year too. (Alabama is in the SEC by the way.)

...the SEC may not be where is was a few years ago...but Alabama is still the cream of the crop. ...keep hatin'
 
I do recall they were in last year and got stomped by Ohio State. And it should have been worse had OSU scored TDs on the two first and goals inside Alabama's 5. Don't believe me, just ask Kirby Smart.

Alabama is very vulnerable to the pass. Alabama's secondary will be exploited again. QB play in the SEC was horrible this year. The one team Alabama played with an inconsistently good passing QB (Ole Miss) beat them. If Alabama plays Michigan State, they'll again face a team that can run the ball like Ohio State and has an even better passing game to stretch the field and prevent Bama from stacking the box. A first round QB and a team with a comparable front 7. It will be a long night.

Your favs might get Clemson, but will have to play one of two well rounded teams in MSU or Oklahoma and the results will be the same as in 2013 and 2014. Better hope Iowa beats MSU.
 
OHVATN":39jmznah said:
Your favs might get Clemson, but will have to play one of two well rounded teams in MSU or Oklahoma and the results will be the same as in 2013 and 2014. Better hope Iowa beats MSU.
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"Ending in 2012"! :rotf: :rotf: Still living in the past" :rotf: :rotf:
 

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