Drinking the TSS Kool-Aid.........

[FARMTOFIELD]

........However if I can save $20/lb I'm fixing to.

Sounds like straight from China pricing? What is the minimum order?

For what it is worth, I have ordered from 3 guys over the years, but the best correspondence, load data, and turn around time has been with Hal, albeit little steeper on price. I have found other guys that are cheaper per pound, but they usually have a 5 pound minimum and rarely have it on hand to ship the next day (what many want when first starting out).

I also wonder what the minimum bulk order is. There are enough of us, we ought to be able to get together and split a shipment. Do it in the off season.

Some have a 5 kilo (10#) min. You won't save any money unless you get in the 50 pound range

 

[Southern Sportsman]

Between me and my buddies, I'd probably be good for 20# of 8.5s.

 

[FARMTOFIELD]

Between me and my buddies, I'd probably be good for 20# of 8.5s.

Get a price, if it's worth it I'll order some

 

[Roost 1]

Between me and my buddies, I'd probably be good for 20# of 8.5s.

Get a price, if it's worth it I'll order some

Yall please let me know what Hal's summer prices are?

 

[muddyboots]

I got some from Hal about February. I can't remember exactly but shipped to me ur was like 42 or 43 a lb. it went down considerably since my first order.

 

[Southern Sportsman]

Between me and my buddies, I'd probably be good for 20# of 8.5s.

Get a price, if it's worth it I'll order some

Yall please let me know what Hal's summer prices are?

It was cheaper this year just because the price of tungsten was down, but I dont think he has a summer price. I think 9s are still higher than bigger sizes, and my order was for 8.5s.

 

[SKFOOTER]

Am I correct in calculating that 1 pound of #9 TSS will load ten shells with 1 5/8 oz of shot??

 

[Andy S.]

Am I correct in calculating that 1 pound of #9 TSS will load ten shells with 1 5/8 oz of shot??

Correct.

 

[elknturkey]

Yes price goes up the smaller the shot. You need to get 50+lb to make it worth your while. I've got about 20lbs and going to order 10 more and I should be set for life. It was up to $62lb at one time. Depending on what trump does about the import taxes I'd be stocking up quick just in case. I've killed a few yotes but they all been in the 20-30 yard range. Bang flops.

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[Andy S.]

I think 9s are still higher than bigger sizes, and my order was for 8.5s.

Yes price goes up the smaller the shot.

First I have ever heard or seen of this. The 3 vendors I have used have quoted me the same prices delivered, regardless of the size of the TSS pellets. Simply due to demand, the #9s are the ones that sell out the quickest because that is what most people are loading these days.

 

[Andy S.]

I've got about 20lbs and going to order 10 more and I should be set for life.

That is pretty strong.......expecting to pull the trigger on another 300 birds before you call it quits. oke:

 

[elknturkey]

I think 9s are still higher than bigger sizes, and my order was for 8.5s.

Yes price goes up the smaller the shot.

First I have ever heard or seen of this. The 3 vendors I have used have quoted me the same prices delivered, regardless of the size of the TSS pellets. Simply due to demand, the #9s are the ones that sell out the quickest because that is what most people are loading these days.

Takes more grinding to get to the smaller sizes

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[elknturkey]

I've got about 20lbs and going to order 10 more and I should be set for life.

That is pretty strong.......expecting to pull the trigger on another 300 birds before you call it quits. oke:

I'm optimistic I'm going to have a good retirement lol. I figure I hopefully have 30+ years left and if I average 8 a year plus 1 or 2 for sighting. A few more years I'm cutting back to 1 job so I can travel more. My goal is to kill a bird in every state

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[Andy S.]

^^^^I wish you the best, and for some one like you who is serious about it, and loves it, that really is not a stretch. I just had to gig you while I had the opportunity. :tu:

 

[TheLBLman]

Some of y'all are being too hard on ole Hal :mrgreen:

With tungsten, we're dealing in the commodities market (HUGE daily price swings in price!)
and far as I'm concerned, tungsten is a "precious" metal, literally worth its weight in gold,
and gold prices also fluctuate wildly each day.

There is absolutely no way Hal can offer a "summer" price months, or even weeks, in advance.
Well, he could if he inflated his prices by 300 to 500%, but he's obviously not doing that.

If the price happens to be less during the summer,
it's mainly because demand is less and supply is good.
Early spring, with so many preparing for turkey season,
demand is high, supplies get knocked back, price goes up.

The price is market based, just like oil, gasoline, corn, gold, silver, etc.

 

[Andy S.]

If the price happens to be less during the summer,
it's mainly because demand is less and supply is good.
Early spring, with so many preparing for turkey season,
demand is high, supplies get knocked back, price goes up.

Exactly, and basically what I have seen with Hal and others. The price reduction in the summer was noticeable, but nothing to write home about, maybe $3-5/pound cheaper, so $430 for 10 pounds in June, rather than $480 in April of same year.

 

[Roost 1]

$50 is $50 to me... that's another tank of gas to get somewhere to hunt. I figure any of these guys will take a little less after season just so they don't have to sit on it all year. I do understand it's like a commodity and the price swings constantly but there is a big difference in $62/lb and $40/lb.... just like most other things timing is the key, I guess...

 

[FARMTOFIELD]

It's rumored that it can be had for $38 per pound shipped to your door 5 pound minimum. I haven't tried yet though. I'm gonnabtry to get 5# of 8.5 soon. I have around 20 pounds and around 16 pounds of federal heavyweight

 

[elknturkey]

Hal has always been the highest as far as I know but until recently he was the only one that was developing loads. Just look at all the recipes he has for every gauge not only turkey loads but for waterfowl, predator and deer. He's got a fortune just in load development.

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[TheLBLman]

I figure any of these guys will take a little less after season just so they don't have to sit on it all year. I do understand it's like a commodity and the price swings constantly but there is a big difference in $62/lb and $40/lb.... just like most other things timing is the key, I guess...

Actually, I doubt someone like Hal would maintain much inventory beyond what he expects to sell in just the upcoming days, or week or two. So there would be nothing for him to sit on all year.

Most likely, he has calculated a "margin" of "X" percent that he marks up whatever he pays for the inventory. He will make the same "profit" margin regardless what he pays for that inventory.

However, IF he strongly believed commodity prices were super-low at the time of any particular purchase, he might expand his inventory, allowing him to either sell cheaper than the competition, or make a better profit, or some combination of both. But very unlikely he would buy any more than expected orders to soon fill when he buys during the spring (when prices are typically higher).

The risk of speculating is in acquiring too much inventory, then prices go the opposite of your gamble.
Such gambles have caused many a business to go under.

Someone like Hal is also taking risks beyond the obvious, and these risks can be greatly magnified with too much inventory.
One of these risks is believing you've been paid, but for whatever reason, the payment didn't clear (even if you had previously thought it had).
Stuff even gets lost in the mail. Crap happens, and the unexpected can cost much time and money.