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the idea that Ky has this thing figured out.
Anyone want to guess how their harvest numbers were this yr since they have the 2 bird limit and their birds know where the state line is.

















30,895!
Want to guess what their kill harvest was in 2010?
40,548.
Well I guess they got this thing figured out and shucks if we drop our limit to 2 we will be just like them.
 
As long as Ky stays above the line I will be fine. I wouldn't want any part of their limits and regulations on anything. Don't think I would buy a license for it at all.


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40,000 sounds a little high to me....In my part of the state we are in a decline as well. I think this decline is more widespread than people think.......MO experienced this about 5yrs ago. You have a few bad hatches in a row to the added pressure and new technology(decoys, chokes,etc) and you will see things go backwards....It may be quite possible that the "good ol days of turkey hunting" are behind us. I know in my area the farmers are wanting to plant every inch of ground. I cant tell you how much habitat has been wiped out in the 2-3yrs...the trac-hoe may very well be the turkeys worst enemy.....
 
Andy, I just went back looking for the link but can't find it now. It showed all the yr totals on the same page. Now I can only find single season totals.
I will look some more and take a screen shot.
 
So I'm supposed to be unimpressed that a state with fewer hunters, less days, and half as many tags killed as many birds as a state with more hunters, twice as many days, and twice as many tags?

Sure KY didn't set any records but compared to this state they are dominating.
 
You totally missed the point Setterman. They had a bigger drop in numbers the last 5 yrs than we did and they have the 2 bird limit that you want. So what should they do to get back to their glory days? Go to a 1 bird limit and a shorter season?
I'm not sure if you are on FB but I am and I have been hearing the same thing you are saying from other guys but they are in several different states. Some of which only have 1 bird limits.
This is a wide spread issue. Not just a issue where twra dropped the ball.
 
This backs up my theory on lower limits, because gobbler limits have little effect.
The decline is very severe in southern Tennessee and northern Alabama, and appears to be in the entire southeast. The only area I haven't seen a decline in birds is south Alabama.

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Setterman":2cnynu6x said:
So I'm supposed to be unimpressed that a state with fewer hunters, less days, and half as many tags killed as many birds as a state with more hunters, twice as many days, and twice as many tags?

Sure KY didn't set any records but compared to this state they are dominating.
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For some reason there are a few people whom think TN is a separate nation that shouldnt have any part of what "big government" says, or maybe they didnt get the memo that Lee surrendered to Grant. Anyways, state lines are arbitrary when it comes to game management and some states are good at certain things while others lag behind. TN has a excellent fisheries program (from my experience) and their self funding and general fund avoidance is admirable, maybe not sustaining but none the less. Their transparency sucks and the turkey chief needs to demoted to berry gatherer.

The buck limit reduction argument seems to have a majority of those that dont want "opportunity" taken away. If that same mind set applies to turkey hunting then in a matter of a few years we want have much opportunity regardless of what limits are. I dare TN to take its political conservative stance and apply it to game management instead of its liberal stance smoked screen with independent choice.




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callemquacktn":1acnreh1 said:
...I just went back looking for the link but can't find it now.
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After more research, I am not sure if KDFWR knows how many they killed either. :)

This link from 2013 says KY killed 40k+ in 2010.
http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting/g ... g-in-2013/

This link from 2015 says KY killed 36k+ in 2010. This is a newer link with data that has been scrubbed (hopefully), so I'd "somewhat trust" it more.
http://www.gameandfishmag.com/forecasts ... cast-2015/
 
Also I keep reading this thing about less Turkey hunters in Ky I have yet to find where you get that # from. Kind of hard to make that comparison without a number. If you can provide that # it would be great. Lol
 
callemquacktn":2ev7ic59 said:
You totally missed the point Setterman. They had a bigger drop in numbers the last 5 yrs than we did and they have the 2 bird limit that you want. So what should they do to get back to their glory days? Go to a 1 bird limit and a shorter season?
I'm not sure if you are on FB but I am and I have been hearing the same thing you are saying from other guys but they are in several different states. Some of which only have 1 bird limits.
This is a wide spread issue. Not just a issue where twra dropped the ball.
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I think what you're missing is that the late timing of the KY season had major impacts on the birds being vulnerable. The opener was so late that most birds were already with hens making it much quieter and harder for the majority of their hunters.

We don't have that excuse seeing how our season was twice as long.

There is a widespread issue, and affecting states all over, but I do not believe KY is seeing any sorts of population declines. Others AL, GA, and TN are for sure. Which is even more reason to dial our limit back
 
I'm not comparing this yrs numbers with each state. I'm saying that you keep saying ky is better off than us but they have had a 10,000 bird drop in 5 yrs. That is huge!
 
Your basing your assumption about Ky not having a decline because you heard several birds gobble there but not in Tn.
I'm showing you Numbers and it shows that Ky has indeed had a decline.

Ky
2010- 40,548
2011- 36,028
2012- 37,432
2013- 35,169
For some reason the sight didn't have 2014.
2015- 30,895

That says decline all over it!
 
Andy S.":3gwk8bmv said:
callemquacktn":3gwk8bmv said:
...I just went back looking for the link but can't find it now.
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After more research, I am not sure if KDFWR knows how many they killed either. :)

This link from 2013 says KY killed 40k+ in 2010.
http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting/g ... g-in-2013/

This link from 2015 says KY killed 36k+ in 2010. This is a newer link with data that has been scrubbed (hopefully), so I'd "somewhat trust" it more.
http://www.gameandfishmag.com/forecasts ... cast-2015/
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I didn't get my #'s from a article. It came from the ky state sight. I'm fixing to float the river with my kids but when I get back I will try and find it again on their page. I came across it while trying to search for the numbers Setterman says that they have less Turkey hunters than us. I'm going to keep looking for those numbers too.
 
callemquacktn":34icfqmq said:
Your basing your assumption about Ky not having a decline because you heard several birds gobble there but not in Tn.
I'm showing you Numbers and it shows that Ky has indeed had a decline.

Ky
2010- 40,548
2011- 36,028
2012- 37,432
2013- 35,169
For some reason the sight didn't have 2014.
2015- 30,895

That says decline all over it!
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It doesn't look good I'll give you that. Maybe they are in a decline I know a bunch of ky hunters bring up the fall season as a reason why they're hunting isn't as good.

When I heard "several" birds, it like 20-30 birds gobbling 400 yards away from zero birds gobbling. So several might be an understatement. I've also hunted KY as long as I've hunted TN and our hunting is the same whether I'm in middle, west, or east KY.

It's fine if you don't want our limits adjusted, that's your opinion to have. I'm ready for us to go to two, and if things don't improve then it's not limits. But something needs to be adjusted
 
callemquacktn":jcnv98en said:
Your basing your assumption about Ky not having a decline because you heard several birds gobble there but not in Tn.
I'm showing you Numbers and it shows that Ky has indeed had a decline.

Ky
2010- 40,548
2011- 36,028
2012- 37,432
2013- 35,169
For some reason the sight didn't have 2014.
2015- 30,895

That says decline all over it!
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. The numbers I saw on the KY state site are 36k for 2010. I believe your blowing this out of proportion, I do not believe there has been a 10000 bird drop in KY numbers. It is not fact, let's get the numbers straight first. 36k is much more believable.


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