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Setterman":ol0w0fa6 said:
callemquacktn":ol0w0fa6 said:
You totally missed the point Setterman. They had a bigger drop in numbers the last 5 yrs than we did and they have the 2 bird limit that you want. So what should they do to get back to their glory days? Go to a 1 bird limit and a shorter season?
I'm not sure if you are on FB but I am and I have been hearing the same thing you are saying from other guys but they are in several different states. Some of which only have 1 bird limits.
This is a wide spread issue. Not just a issue where twra dropped the ball.
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I think what you're missing is that the late timing of the KY season had major impacts on the birds being vulnerable. The opener was so late that most birds were already with hens making it much quieter and harder for the majority of their hunters.

We don't have that excuse seeing how our season was twice as long.

There is a widespread issue, and affecting states all over, but I do not believe KY is seeing any sorts of population declines. Others AL, GA, and TN are for sure. Which is even more reason to dial our limit back
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How many times do I have to tell you, KY IS IN DECLINE....Look at the county by county break down, which I haven't but I would be the western 1\3 or the state is significantly lower while the sack is being picked in the central to eastern 2\3s of the state which is where you hunt......Which also has fewer hunters....I am going by what I see and hear.. I know 10 guys who are good hunters that killed "0" birds in KY this year... I know way more that only killed 1.... Forget about the gobblers, we don't have the hens we used to have and I don't know what the reason is....Hogs are popping us more and more in the western part of the state and I personally believe they are a major reason along with some bad hatches.....we just got 4' of rain over the weekend. I haven't seen any poults yet but I'm sure they could not withstand that much rain and no telling how many nests got washed away........I'll say it again this decline is not confined to a couple states its much more widespread than that.
 
callemquacktn":2b7pjz9y said:
Found it . I don't just make numbers up in my head.

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These number are totals for the year which includes fall seasons as well....we are not killing that many gobblers in the spring..Or at least I should say that many are not being "checked" in.......
 
callemquacktn":prrfjjv3 said:
Found it . I don't just make numbers up in my head.

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Your counting Spring and Fall in your 2010 number. 2010 Spring and Fall would be around 40k. 2014 Fall plus 2015 Spring would be in the 34k area. So not a 10000 bird drop. Can't count 2015 Fall yet of course.


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GREG lives in the freaking state and he is telling yall their state is in decline. It is not just isolated to tn.

I'm sorry to bust your conspiracy bubbles. Twra is not out to remove all turkeys from this state.
 
6k is a little different than 10k. Here's an eye opener to me...... My TN county reported 206 birds this Spring with the long season and liberal limit. Our sister KY county across the border with similar habitat, recorded 444 birds this Spring. In square miles terms... My county= 0.41 per square mile. KY county= 0.9 per square mile. Over double! I'm not saying there isn't decline, I'm saying KY is managing much better.


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I don't have the answers but sent a message to TWRA asking them to consider the points we've been discussing all spring. Somehow, I just feel like if enough of us that voice a concern to the people that set seasons and limits something may change. The simple fact that numerous counties appear to headed toward reduced fall limits is an indication that some level of reconsideration is taking place by TWRA.

Please consider taking the time to send a note.
 
smstone22":3ouvqdkd said:
...... My TN county reported 206 birds this Spring with the long season and liberal limit. Our sister KY county across the border with similar habitat, recorded 444 birds this Spring. In square miles terms... My county= 0.41 per square mile. KY county= 0.9 per square mile. Over double! I'm not saying there isn't decline, I'm saying KY is managing much better.
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Exactly.

And again, those KY hunters accomplished more, in half the time. Are KY hunters that much better than TN hunters, or does it have more to do with the "resource" of the turkeys?

callemquacktn":3ouvqdkd said:
Ky killed 99.2% gobblers this yr. 0.8% hens
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Well, that's about what should be expected seeing that non-bearded beards are illegal during the spring turkey season?

Kentucky hasn't had their 2015 "fall" season yet, so . . . . . those "fall" numbers haven't been added to "this year's" harvest totals.
 
smstone22":26k79yap said:
6k is a little different than 10k. Here's an eye opener to me...... My TN county reported 206 birds this Spring with the long season and liberal limit. Our sister KY county across the border with similar habitat, recorded 444 birds this Spring. In square miles terms... My county= 0.41 per square mile. KY county= 0.9 per square mile. Over double! I'm not saying there isn't decline, I'm saying KY is managing much better.


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Will please disclose which counties we are talking about, please? At least the KY county?
 
As many have said, the harvest numbers alone have become a poor gauge of the turkey population, as well as a poor gauge of the quality of the turkey hunting. Most KY counties (particularly the West KY counties) saw a decline this year in their turkey population.

But remarkably, KY's statewide harvest was still, per hunter & per day of hunting, on average, relatively good. Meanwhile, just looking at harvest numbers alone, one could legitimately claim similar for Tennessee. Yet most KY and most TN hunters will tell you 2015 was among the worse turkey seasons ever for them, either state. That doesn't change the fact that KY hunters were more successful and found that greater success with about half as many hunting days. Was it because of the soil?
 
Missouri has a 2 bird limit and a really jacked up schedule and still they almost killed 50,000 this yr.
They had a huge decline a few yrs back that had then in the 30,000's. All due to several bad hatches. They made no changes and still rebounded. What happen? They had several good hatches.
 
callemquacktn":hs1b65tf said:
Both states have seen a 6000 bird drop in the last 5 yrs but yall seem to only think tn is declining.
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I believe both TN & KY have declined over the past year.

But more a multi-year "trend" of declinations in TN; may just be a 1-yr anomaly for KY.
I believe you're making an erroneous assumption about the 6,000 bird drop in KY, since that 2014 number included their 2014 fall harvest, and those 2015 numbers haven't yet added the 2015 fall harvest.

Again, the harvest numbers are but one piece of the puzzle.
 
In the fall Ky is allowed 4 birds per person with only one allowed to have a beard 3+ ". So that means at least 3 hens in every county per hunter. That is more liberal than tn where there is counties with no fall hunting allowed.
 
Wes Parrish":2omzv8ie said:
callemquacktn":2omzv8ie said:
Both states have seen a 6000 bird drop in the last 5 yrs but yall seem to only think tn is declining.
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I believe both TN & KY have declined over the past year.

But more a multi-year "trend" of declinations in TN; may just be a 1-yr anomaly for KY.
I believe you're making an erroneous assumption about the 6,000 bird drop in KY, since those 2014 number included their 2014 fall harvest, and those 2015 numbers haven't yet added the 2015 fall harvest.

Again, the harvest numbers are but one piece of the puzzle.
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That is incorrect.
 
Roost 1":2e53cf2k said:
smstone22":2e53cf2k said:
6k is a little different than 10k. Here's an eye opener to me...... My TN county reported 206 birds this Spring with the long season and liberal limit. Our sister KY county across the border with similar habitat, recorded 444 birds this Spring. In square miles terms... My county= 0.41 per square mile. KY county= 0.9 per square mile. Over double! I'm not saying there isn't decline, I'm saying KY is managing much better.


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Will please disclose which counties we are talking about, please? At least the KY county?
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I'm planning a map that will really illustrate the Eye opening difference. Until then, Wayne and Clinton counties in KY both have very good numbers when compared to my county numbers. I'll try to find time to really show the difference.


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Wes Parrish":18e61e3m said:
callemquacktn":18e61e3m said:
Both states have seen a 6000 bird drop in the last 5 yrs but yall seem to only think tn is declining.
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I believe both TN & KY have declined over the past year.

But more a multi-year "trend" of declinations in TN; may just be a 1-yr anomaly for KY.
I believe you're making an erroneous assumption about the 6,000 bird drop in KY, since that 2014 number included their 2014 fall harvest, and those 2015 numbers haven't yet added the 2015 fall harvest.

Again, the harvest numbers are but one piece of the puzzle.
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. The 6k bird drop is using KY 2014 Fall to Ky 2015 Spring with 2010 Spring and 2010 Fall, so yes it won't really be a fair calculation until 2015 Fall numbers are in.


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