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None, but the comment was about .270 bullets. The reason the .270 isn't more competitive with other rounds is the slow twist. It's hard to compare 10 twist .270s to 8 twist 6.5s isn't apples to apples. Throw a 156 EOL in a 6.5 Swede and it won't work either. Kind of like trying to shoot 77gr in a 12 twist 22-250.
put the 156 in a 6.5 creed and it's fine, or a 77gr in a 22 creed. You can even get factory 22-250s with an 8 twist to shoot those heavy bullets. The only factory offering that I'm aware of that could utilize that Berger you referenced would be a 6.8 western. If you could stick that Berger in a 270, is the throat long enough to not kill your powder capacity?
 
put the 156 in a 6.5 creed and it's fine, or a 77gr in a 22 creed. You can even get factory 22-250s with an 8 twist to shoot those heavy bullets. The only factory offering that I'm aware of that could utilize that Berger you referenced would be a 6.8 western. If you could stick that Berger in a 270, is the throat long enough to not kill your powder capacity?
I have seen some folks build 8 twist .270s that were killer with the 170. I think that the .270 is generally marketed toward people who want off the shelf ammo availability and not people who build custom rifles that are purpose built for long, heavy bullets. I'm glad you mentioned the 22 creed though, because that has been on my radar. The only thing keeping me from doing it right now is that I have a 6 creed that I can just load lighter bullets in. I haven't been down that rabbit hole enough yet to see if there is an advantage either way.
 
I have seen some folks build 8 twist .270s that were killer with the 170. I think that the .270 is generally marketed toward people who want off the shelf ammo availability and not people who build custom rifles that are purpose built for long, heavy bullets. I'm glad you mentioned the 22 creed though, because that has been on my radar. The only thing keeping me from doing it right now is that I have a 6 creed that I can just load lighter bullets in. I haven't been down that rabbit hole enough yet to see if there is an advantage either way.
If you want custom you could build whatever to shoot whatever. The 270 is like the 25 cals. Until the last few years options for high bc bullets have been non existent. There are a few options, but with the sammi spec of the 270 and 25-06 you can't utilize those bullets.


I built a 25 creed. I lose just a touch over the 6.5 and feel I gained a bunch on a 6 creed. And not in the speed department either. Looking at turning my 30-06 into a 22 creed. The BCs are pretty close best I remember between the 22 and 6mm options. I've got a fast twist 223 and the thought of gaining 600ish fps over what I'm currently shooting has a nice appeal to me. Or step up to the 88 eldm at 3100ish fps.
 
Never heard that but mine is a heartbreaker.
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If you want custom you could build whatever to shoot whatever. The 270 is like the 25 cals. Until the last few years options for high bc bullets have been non existent. There are a few options, but with the sammi spec of the 270 and 25-06 you can't utilize those bullets.


I built a 25 creed. I lose just a touch over the 6.5 and feel I gained a bunch on a 6 creed. And not in the speed department either. Looking at turning my 30-06 into a 22 creed. The BCs are pretty close best I remember between the 22 and 6mm options. I've got a fast twist 223 and the thought of gaining 600ish fps over what I'm currently shooting has a nice appeal to me. Or step up to the 88 eldm at 3100ish fps.
Most of us are not wanting a hot rod rifle and in my case don't have the $$$ to make or buy one so we pick up a rifle from a gun store or a friend selling one or we inherited one from a family member.
Looks like this one has gone down a rabbit hole
 
Most of us are not wanting a hot rod rifle and in my case don't have the $$$ to make or buy one so we pick up a rifle from a gun store or a friend selling one or we inherited one from a family member.
Looks like this one has gone down a rabbit hole
Ok? The 270 is nothing special. If you like it, great! I'm not a fan, great! It can't compete down range with the modern offerings of other cartridges. For hunting, 400 yards and in, it's fine, just as 90% of high power cartridges are. It does nothing special, and doesn't give up anything. Just another flavor, for the gays apparently.
 
Ironic that Elmer Keith is quoted as supporting this little exercise. Keith was quoted as saying that his idea of ideal ballistics was "a toaster at 2000 fps," or something of that ilk. He had no affinity for BC or high velocity. Just pointing out the irony, that's all. I've owned a 270 since I was 16 years old and never heard it called gay before. This little exchange is news to me, and doesn't effect my affinity for the cartridge one iota
 
The 6.5 got a long way to go to catch up with deer kills of a 270. 6.5 is a good caliber, but of the 6.5 caliber options the creedmore is way down the list.
There's nothing wrong with the .264" (6.5) bullet diameter. But, in my opinion the Creedmoor has better accuracy than killing power. It has got some hunters in trouble. Faster .264's work a lot better.
 
There's nothing wrong with the .264" (6.5) bullet diameter. But, in my opinion the Creedmoor has better accuracy than killing power. It has got some hunters in trouble. Faster .264's work a lot better.
Only way theyve got in trouble using the creedmoor is either poor shooting or poor bullet choices!! It flat out kills as fast and deadly, with as much authority as anything else out there! Dead in their tracks is dead in their tracks!
 
There's nothing wrong with the .264" (6.5) bullet diameter. But, in my opinion the Creedmoor has better accuracy than killing power. It has got some hunters in trouble. Faster .264's work a lot better.
There's only about 150 lb ft of energy difference between a standard 130gr 270 load and a 140gr 6.5CM load. I have shot quite a few with one and none have ever taken a step.
 
IMO, the only way someone could "get into trouble" hunting with the 6.5 Creedmoor would possibly be making a mistake on terminal velocity at distance. Otherwise it's a shot placement variable just like any other caliber.

This with all things being equal, proper bullet selection, etc
 
IMO, the only way someone could "get into trouble" hunting with the 6.5 Creedmoor would possibly be making a mistake on terminal velocity at distance. Otherwise it's a shot placement variable just like any other caliber.

This with all things being equal, proper bullet selection, etc
Terminal velocity at distance in the creed could be much further than most should be shooting at game, myself included.
 

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