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I can't green stripe him bc he's my buddy.I've been green striped by a few CM fan boys on here because of my stance...I really don't care...all things considered.
To be clear...I was a 6.5 (264) fan while they were still in grade school. I've had several CMs, and am currently hunting with one this year. Plan on buying another one in the near future. But....I didn't drink the Kool aid. The CM is the 40s&w of the 9mm, 40, 45 debate. You can look at it from 2 different sides. It doesn't really have the HP to shoot the heavies that the 6.5 got it's reputation from...plus, it's jammed into a short action...further limiting the seating depth. Yes, it does well with 140 class bullets, but it suffers with the 156-160 class. They will argue that 140 is enough...blah blah blah.
As I said...it's like the 9,40,45 debate.
Fans of the 40 will say...it's bigger than a 9 and holds more than a 45. Myself...it's smaller than a 45 and holds less than a 9.
It can be argued from both sides...just depends on how you look at it.
The CM is a good round...but it ain't no miracle cartridge. And to be honest, it has nothing to offer most hunters at practical ranges...around here. It don't even get an advantage on a 308 till about 600 yards..
Now watch how many will jump on this post about the recoil difference in the 308 and the creedmoor...While they secretly "hot" load their 300wm....because..."speed kills"...
Oh and they use that 300 for shots less than 200 yards...
and the 6.5 CM is?
Just another cartridge, but when loaded with high bc bullets does things most people can't wrap their heads around. It's also the manbun of cartridges. Since I don't have hair, I don't have a 6.5cm
When loaded with high BC bullets. Most folks don't reload or do they shoot at deer over 400 yards. They buy a gun a couple boxes of shells go to the range and go hunting. So you're calling folks ignorant for not hunting with a cartridge you don't hunt with. Got it.
still stand by my statement. It's got a long way to go to get to the body count of the 270.
Most folks who buy factory ammo in the 6.5cm are shooting high bc bullets. We probably agree that they ain't shooting at enough distance to take advantage of it tho. No, I don't shoot a 270 anymore, and haven't in nearly 20 years. I do shoot a creedmoor, but opted for a 223 this year. It's a good thing the 270 had an 80 year head start, it's gonna need it. I'd hate to guess how many more 6.5cm chambered rifles have been sold vs any other cartridge in the last 10 years. It certainly has become highly popular.When loaded with high BC bullets. Most folks don't reload or do they shoot at deer over 400 yards. They buy a gun a couple boxes of shells go to the range and go hunting. So you're calling folks ignorant for not hunting with a cartridge you don't hunt with. Got it.
Because of hype and marketing by Hornady in large part. Its not a superior cartridge in standard loaded ammo. You're playing a game only a few are playing. I loaded some TMK's in a 223 and watched a deer die from it just as you did this year. You know enough to know the 6.5cm is not superior until you alter it to be on the loading bench. Which for all intents and purposes we can make about any center fire cartridge do more than your average guy can imagine.
It doesn't need altered to do it tho. Sure it helps, but the numbers don't lie. Use the factory loaded 147 eldm and go kill things. Call it hype, marketing, or voodoo, I don't care. But the numbers don't lie. The prc does it better further, with the trade off of more recoil, while still only using factory offerings. Do I think the 6.5cm makes anyone a sniper, not hardly. Most people don't put the time nor money into their rifles to learn them. It's pretty evident just in this one thread. But it does have some really good factory ammo offerings, fairly inexpensive ammo, nearly every model of rifles available today are chambered in it. Low recoil. It may not be superior to everything, but it's close to most.
That 147 won't do anything a 130 out of a 270 won't do. Show numbers apples to apples same grain bullets. In 90% of real world deer hunting scenarios. The 6.5 won't win any of them. Recoil is a wash in the field. I ain't saying it won't kill there ain't an idiot out there that would take one through their own ribs to prove it won't kill. Components today make them all lethal in their rightful scenarios. Just stop trying to make the 6.5 something it isn't. It is what it is and nothing more nothing less. Its not a superior cartridge to the 270.
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Does it better. Run the numbers
I'm seeing match shooters using Hornady factory ammo in competition these days. I've shot Hornady factory ammo myself, ELD match, and find it performs extremely close to my handloads in the 6.5 CM. Just my personal observation.
I never said they wouldn't shoot and that they wouldn't kill. With today's technology it's cranking turrets and playing the wind. We shoot 6br's and 6brx's in F class. Because you are shooting little needles and eliminating a lot of wind drift. They have their purpose. Would they kill a deer probably, are they extremely accurate absolutely, but I'm not gonna come on here and say they are better than a 308 for long range hunting because they have less recoil and are accurate. They do the job they are designed for so does the CM. You just can't say it's a "better" hunting cartridge than a cartridge that shoots a bigger diameter bullet faster. Speed, KE, all that matters and grain for grain the 270 will win them all. Probably drop as well if you actually test it. The CM will win in the BC department which means yes it will be slightly less effected by wind. Even that would be very minimal id assume. Is 200-300 fps probably a wash because advancements in bullets in killing game yep. Until you hit a big bone and need it. In the end no you aren't gonna see anyone show up to these matches with a 270 probably ever. But in the woods and deer hunting applications numbers don't lie. It has an edge over the CM. No matter how you cut it.
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You're beating a dead horse....
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And that is nothing against you.
Some folks just have a hard on for anything Hornady.
I tried to include a gif of judge Reinhold in fast times at ridgemont high...but it didn't post correctly. But you get the idea...
Since this is about hunting, let's take it back to hunting. What bones won't a 6.5cm bust thru at 100 yards. Is 200 fps really even noticeable. Ask the dead deer. KE is an arbitrary number that makes people feel good but they can't tell you how it actually translates to anything useful in the field. Bullets matter much more than headstamps, but only a few of us understand that.
Has nothing to do with Hornady. Your mind just can't wrap around it. Not my issue. There's a reason we no longer talk. No, I didn't stripe you as you'd like to believe, I just choose to not engage with you. So take your subtle jabs and put them up, have a good Christmas, and I hope you beat your cancer.And that is nothing against you.
Some folks just have a hard on for anything Hornady.
I tried to include a gif of judge Reinhold in fast times at ridgemont high...but it didn't post correctly. But you get the idea...
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My Bowning A Bolt .270 Winchester with hand loaded 150 gr hornady interlocks shooting at speeds of 2700 fps, is deadly out to 500 yds on a whitetail. My max distance is 400 yds and at that distance it still has 1153 lbs of energy.
I like the 150 gr bullet a little better than a lighter bullet as it seems to have better knockdown power when you hit them right. The longest shot I've taken on a whitetail is 250 yds and they were dead in 2 steps.
Both my bucks taken this year were with my .270 and one ran 50 yds shot through the heart and the next one was DRT shot at the base of the neck. There was no exit due to the angle of the shot (quarter to) but most shots have an exit hole about the size of a quarter.
I've never been disappointed when I walked up to a deer that the bullet hadn't done its job or more importantly that it did way too much!
The recoil on the rifle is very comfortable and I've never thought wow that thing kicks. When shooting an animal you never feel anything and the follow-up is easy. Yes, I've had to follow up a shot before.
Overall, I love my .270 and you can call it what you wish, but it's still my favorite deer rifle. I have total confidence in it and that's important.
I like the 150 gr bullet a little better than a lighter bullet as it seems to have better knockdown power when you hit them right. The longest shot I've taken on a whitetail is 250 yds and they were dead in 2 steps.
Both my bucks taken this year were with my .270 and one ran 50 yds shot through the heart and the next one was DRT shot at the base of the neck. There was no exit due to the angle of the shot (quarter to) but most shots have an exit hole about the size of a quarter.
I've never been disappointed when I walked up to a deer that the bullet hadn't done its job or more importantly that it did way too much!
The recoil on the rifle is very comfortable and I've never thought wow that thing kicks. When shooting an animal you never feel anything and the follow-up is easy. Yes, I've had to follow up a shot before.
Overall, I love my .270 and you can call it what you wish, but it's still my favorite deer rifle. I have total confidence in it and that's important.
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Thanks Jason...and Merry Christmas to you and yours.
My mind can "wrap around it". I never said the CM was a bad round...you just took it that way because I refused to blow sunshine up yours or Hornady 's azz. All I ever said was...for most people/hunters it's no better than any other round for hunting deer....at least around here.
Again... Merry Christmas
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Give this a read... Oh, and there are countless others available that come up with the same results.
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6.5 Creedmoor Versus 270 Winchester — Ron Spomer Outdoors
In a 6.5 Creedmoor versus 270 Winchester ballistic competition, which wins? Drop, drift, retained energy, velocity, and recoil are compared.
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