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catman529
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they have access to all the data. We have access to Hunters Toolbox. I'm gonna say their number of 14k is correct. Do you really think the turkey harvest would drop by half in one year?AT Hiker":1dlrvfru said:
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Setterman
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catman529":2pizwmqh said:
With as bad as things are here and every where else it wouldn't surprise me. Keep in mind what you see in your own microcosm may not reflect the bigger picture
I dang sure hope it isn't that bad, as that's a shocking number. I hope it's 14k and things are better than they seem right now.
catman529":3isnn6j2 said:
You do realize it dropped 35% from 2017 to 2018, right? So yes, a 50% drop is not unlikely. *Actually I might have that 35% wrong because I was looking a the three years comparison up until today. 50% is drastic no doubt but it wouldn't surprise me.
I've not paid much attention to total WMA vs Statewide harvest but am I understanding correctly that we kill more turkeys on WMAs than anywhere else here?
*I think I found the answer to my above question.
Ok, it's obvious something is jacked up.
If you scroll down to "graphs"and click on "game check harvest results by map" it gives you a report of approximately 14,000. Click on a county and it breaks it down to private and public. That is where the issue is, it's practically 50/50 of harvest reported as public and private. I have no idea why but I can assure you 1/2 of Dickson counties harvest is not in public. *
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catman529":2conmsj4 said:
I just spoke with the former big game coordinator, when he was here all the data was available to everyone. Transparency was the goal, so unless things have changed we ALL have access to the same data.
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catman529
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maybe you're in the microcosmSetterman":2q392xfj said:
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Setterman
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I actually think my microcosm is okay. Birds won't gobble and sign is limited but I feel they're still in massive winter flocks. At least that's what I'm hoping
I'm also crossing my fingers that the harvest is good and things aren't as dire as it once seemed
I'm also crossing my fingers that the harvest is good and things aren't as dire as it once seemed
It's dire here. Out of all my turkey hunting contacts in my county my daughter and 1 buddy is all I know have been killed. Usually most of us try to tag out in first 9 days. 2 is a significant drop from years past.
Shanman":mv0w7bas said:
It's actually not a government website. Yes they paid for it but Brandt is the company that built it and houses the data on their servers. They created the data streams and query's that pull the data.
I actually work in this field and actually use to work on TN for their previous company until Brandt won the bid. If the state has seen an issue or been aware of it then it should be fixed by now. Harvest data is not a complex data model to display. The only way there is a system issue is if A the TWRA is not aware of it or B they have not prioritized the issue with Brandt to have it fixed.
catman529
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birds have seemed behind this year, even down in bama, hope they bust up and trickle into your spots here soon.Setterman":3g18pnzm said:
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AllOutdoors
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Birds are definitely not here in numbers as years past. Before 2010 I could hear 10 or 12 birds gobble from the farm in Perry county. Now nothing.
I 840 from I 40 to 100hwy there were always birds. Heck several killed on the road and now not a bird in site. Used to a drive down hwy 13 from Lobelville to Linden you could see 100 birds easy. Now nothing. Numbers are way down and I can't imagine anyone denying it. We will see how the harvest numbers turn out but those with turkeys should be happy to have them. They simply aren't around my hunting grounds. I got a pic of turkeys on a trailcam this year. First one in 8 years.
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I 840 from I 40 to 100hwy there were always birds. Heck several killed on the road and now not a bird in site. Used to a drive down hwy 13 from Lobelville to Linden you could see 100 birds easy. Now nothing. Numbers are way down and I can't imagine anyone denying it. We will see how the harvest numbers turn out but those with turkeys should be happy to have them. They simply aren't around my hunting grounds. I got a pic of turkeys on a trailcam this year. First one in 8 years.
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catman529
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there are certain areas like that where birds have declined for no apparent reason and that's why UT is doing a study on it. So they can see where the birds go if/when they disappear.AllOutdoors":26h17406 said:
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AllOutdoors
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catman529":1eofi0w2 said:
Yeah and I'm looking forward to the conclusion of their study cause I will say, there is no "if or when" they disappear...They done gone.2009 and 2010 we had major floods in Perry county that flooded lots of nesting areas. Any of the creeks running to the Tn River in my area were devastated with water. I'm sure that wiped out lots of nests. And along the Duck as well. Hwy 50 from I 40 to 100 in Centerville was always thick with turkeys. Now not a bird to be seen. That area along with Cane creek was ravaged with the floods as well those years, wiping out lots of nesting grounds. Where my frustration starts is that was 2009, and 2010 and they just don't seem to be making a comeback.
So of course I'm asking myself did we as hunters mis manage our resource after the floods or did twra miss the boat on limits for hunters after the floods? I realize it would be hard to survey the damage to a populace post flood, but a couple years in? And bag limits to certain areas set by twra would just make enforcement of regulations more difficult and expensive.
And for the record..... I'm not blaming twra for a shortage of birds and not blaming hunters legally hunting within the limit.
I'm just wandering where the birds are and why they are not making a comeback 10 years in.
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Southern Sportsman
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I have read and heard that there is an expected "bubble" effect when turkeys and some other birds are successfully introduced. That, once they become established, the population explodes beyond what it will be long term before eventually regressing to whatever the "normal" population level will be. I suspect Tennessee is on the back end of that cycle, and I can live with that. But, assuming that is part of what's happening, our current regulations were set during a relatively short bubble of exaggerated turkey numbers. So, now that we are coming back to reality, we are killing too many too early and for too long, which just compounds the population decline.
Boll Weevil
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I've heard this too SS, that a newly introduced population of birds can initially blow up and then ease back into a more sustainable number. Maybe that's some of what's happening too.
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Boll Weevil":2sjw9ham said:
After several years of wondering and thinking about it, along with management of habitat on my own land, I've almost come to this conclusion that the late 90s and early 2000s where the high point. I do remember prior to these years though when I felt like we had less turkeys than I do today. I don't know if this is what happened or not, but it is what I think it is more than anything else.
Simply put, if we had enough good nesting and brooding habitat we'd be covered with turkeys. I don't know if the season starts too early or not and if too many gobblers are killed before breeding, but it's the only thing that they can try to enforce that would maybe work.
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Amen! Someone that actually gets it. I wish you were one of the Commissioners and could convince the rest of the gang to open their eyes.Southern Sportsman":3o5ypwv8 said:
catman529
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we had those floods here too and the birds are still here. They don't all nest on flood plains.AllOutdoors":1z0oyt30 said:
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I'm usually one to go against the grain of public opinion on things like Asian carp destroying Kentucky Lake and the turkey population going down the drain but its kind of hard to ignore. There is one road I drive by on my way to hunt in Humphreys County. A couple years ago you could ride the 2 mile stretch and see 20-30 strutters on it. That's not an exaggeration. 5 years ago I would have put that area up against any part in the state as having numbers of birds. 200-300 birds when they were in wintering flocks. I have seen a total of 3 gobblers on it since Middle of March. A total of 15 birds. On my own property it was common to hear 8-10 birds gobbling. Now I am hearing 2-3 on a good day. I have never killed more than 2 off the property in one season. I just don't see the birds I use to see driving roads. Is it all doom and gloom? I don't believe that, but if you don't think we have a tiny problem you got your head in the sand.
I'm sure he still has SOME birds, just nothing like it was 6-8 years ago. The majority of hens nest where good nesting habitat is, and most of the time, that is along ditches and creek banks, or in overgrown fields, that are USUALLY in low lying areas and floodplains. You can choose to ignore the facts all you want, but 10-20 guys on here with 300+ years of collective turkey hunting knowledge might know a thing or two about the turkey populations in TN, and how it is now compared to a decade or so ago.catman529":8kt6sms7 said:
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