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2in1shot":1k8lncev said:
What the HECK???!!!??!!! Who would put their diaphragm in a dead turkeys mouth!?

I would rather lick a dead armadillos butt hole!! ......Turkeys pick through crow crap!

Well, I'm not for licking butts nor sticking my call in a dead animals mouth. Lol.

The mouth call thing is weird but I don't think it's disrespect to the animal, in general. However, holding the animal up by its neck and taking a selfie with your "mean" face is just stupid. Sure, keep those photos between tight friends but plastering it all over social media does not portray hunters as conservationists.




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AT Hiker":1td9096c said:
2in1shot":1td9096c said:
What the HECK???!!!??!!! Who would put their diaphragm in a dead turkeys mouth!?

I would rather lick a dead armadillos butt hole!! ......Turkeys pick through crow crap!

Well, I'm not for licking butts nor sticking my call in a dead animals mouth. Lol.

The mouth call thing is weird but I don't think it's disrespect to the animal, in general. However, holding the animal up by its neck and taking a selfie with your "mean" face is just stupid. Sure, keep those photos between tight friends but plastering it all over social media does not portray hunters as conservationists.




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I agree there are some photos that are for social media and some that are for sharing with your buddies. I'm not one to cry about somebody's pics though. If you want to hold it by the neck, that's fine, it's a turkey and you hunted it and killed it


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AT Hiker":1p3mkkv9 said:
TheLBLman":1p3mkkv9 said:
Conservationists who hunt will not do this, regardless the regs, but not all hunters are conservationists.

Sadly, I have concluded this as well. My ignorance has over shadowed this fact for a long while, I chalked it up mainly as me "maturing" as a hunter and others still a stage or two behind me. But no, turkey hunting has become a numbers game. In general, we have disrespected the bird so much that now it's "cool" to hold the dead birds head up and take a selfie with your stupid mouth call hanging out. Hunters are not Viking savages, we are conservationists. Plain and simple.

Until we stop worshiping the self proclaimed turkey all stars because of how many kills they get, it will not stop. Until we start holding more people accountable for the hunt and NOT the kill, conservation will continue to die.




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I agree 100%

Although we are not dealing with population issues in WV ( I feel that we are approaching the "good old days" even)

It's the same up here with turkey hunters, so obsessed with tagging out and bragging on Facebook as soon as possible, they put the ol strutter decoy out and blast them and brag they're moving on to Ohio.

I don't get it lol, I have killed one bird this season , a public land 3 yr old and I have passed several jakes and a silent two year old that were close enough to shoot, had several birds I passed due to being out of range (I don't use dekes) nor take questionable shots

I'm gonna go with the "googan " theory I read on here, a lot of turkey hunters are idiots and I can't even talk about hunting with them
 
Welcome to the new era of turkey hunting. For many the challenge of actually hunting these birds isn't the fun, it's all about the picture. The old breed appreciate the hunt and the kill in many ways anti climatic. Don't get me wrong I love killing turkeys but it's not what makes the sport for me. It's all about the game.

Staking plastic turkeys out in a field and shooting one out of a blind is chicken sh*t to be honest. It's not hunting it's just killing.

The mouth call in the turkeys mouth infuriates me. What's the point? Is it supposed to be cool? In addition, turkeys are nasty critters and I can't imagine swapping spit with one. Now the pics with a wing bone or other call laying next to a bird are cool as those calls are usually pretty and accentuate the hunt.

This new generation of hunters are not a welcome addition.
 
Setterman":17ctcuu9 said:
Welcome to the new era of turkey hunting. For many the challenge of actually hunting these birds isn't the fun, it's all about the picture. The old breed appreciate the hunt and the kill in many ways anti climatic. Don't get me wrong I love killing turkeys but it's not what makes the sport for me. It's all about the game.

Staking plastic turkeys out in a field and shooting one out of a blind is chicken sh*t to be honest. It's not hunting it's just killing.

The mouth call in the turkeys mouth infuriates me. What's the point? Is it supposed to be cool? In addition, turkeys are nasty critters and I can't imagine swapping spit with one. Now the pics with a wing bone or other call laying next to a bird are cool as those calls are usually pretty and accentuate the hunt.

This new generation of hunters are not a welcome addition.
there is a bunch of young boys and girls that would think your statement is chicken sh#t for downing a bird they scouted for a month, then put out a blind, sat in the snow and freezing rain to kill a gobbler that finally worked in close enough for a shot to kill their first bird. You know life's not all about you and your ways, it's not Burger King turkey hunting you can't just have it your mystical all knowing way, you sir are the googan who will kill the sport for others with your diseased attitude towards others.
 
knightrider":mfp9cmsg said:
Setterman":mfp9cmsg said:
Welcome to the new era of turkey hunting. For many the challenge of actually hunting these birds isn't the fun, it's all about the picture. The old breed appreciate the hunt and the kill in many ways anti climatic. Don't get me wrong I love killing turkeys but it's not what makes the sport for me. It's all about the game.

Staking plastic turkeys out in a field and shooting one out of a blind is chicken sh*t to be honest. It's not hunting it's just killing.

The mouth call in the turkeys mouth infuriates me. What's the point? Is it supposed to be cool? In addition, turkeys are nasty critters and I can't imagine swapping spit with one. Now the pics with a wing bone or other call laying next to a bird are cool as those calls are usually pretty and accentuate the hunt.

This new generation of hunters are not a welcome addition.
there is a bunch of young boys and girls that would think your statement is chicken sh#t for downing a bird they scouted for a month, then put out a blind, sat in the snow and freezing rain to kill a gobbler that finally worked in close enough for a shot to kill their first bird. You know life's not all about you and your ways, it's not Burger King turkey hunting you can't just have it your mystical all knowing way, you sir are the googan who will kill the sport for others with your diseased attitude towards others.
Hahahahaha. So the people standing up for tradition and an attitude of hunting versus killing will kill the sport? The people who are bothered by the callous pictures holding birds by the neck with a mouth call in its beak are the problem? Condoning the nature of the new era is the problem. Making excuses for killers who have no desire to learn to hunt is the problem.

Kids should learn to hunt not just kill. If your kid loses interest because they don't draw blood maybe they're not cut out for hunting. This mentality of instant gratification or failure is pitiful. And so many people are teaching their kids, our next generation that instant success is the only way.

I'm not that old but we grew up paying our dues. I cut my teeth crawling around cotton fields trying to coax field turkeys to the gun with nothing but a mouth call. There's thousands just like me that grew to relish to challenge.

Thanks to the mentality you express those views are no longer acceptable. It's how fast and how many can we kill.

This is the problem now. Burn the blind and put the decoys in the recycle bin.
 
Setterman":3g7nn73q said:
knightrider":3g7nn73q said:
Setterman":3g7nn73q said:
Welcome to the new era of turkey hunting. For many the challenge of actually hunting these birds isn't the fun, it's all about the picture. The old breed appreciate the hunt and the kill in many ways anti climatic. Don't get me wrong I love killing turkeys but it's not what makes the sport for me. It's all about the game.

Staking plastic turkeys out in a field and shooting one out of a blind is chicken sh*t to be honest. It's not hunting it's just killing.

The mouth call in the turkeys mouth infuriates me. What's the point? Is it supposed to be cool? In addition, turkeys are nasty critters and I can't imagine swapping spit with one. Now the pics with a wing bone or other call laying next to a bird are cool as those calls are usually pretty and accentuate the hunt.

This new generation of hunters are not a welcome addition.
there is a bunch of young boys and girls that would think your statement is chicken sh#t for downing a bird they scouted for a month, then put out a blind, sat in the snow and freezing rain to kill a gobbler that finally worked in close enough for a shot to kill their first bird. You know life's not all about you and your ways, it's not Burger King turkey hunting you can't just have it your mystical all knowing way, you sir are the googan who will kill the sport for others with your diseased attitude towards others.
Hahahahaha. So the people standing up for tradition and an attitude of hunting versus killing will kill the sport? The people who are bothered by the callous pictures holding birds by the neck with a mouth call in its beak are the problem? Condoning the nature of the new era is the problem. Making excuses for killers who have no desire to learn to hunt is the problem.

Kids should learn to hunt not just kill. If your kid loses interest because they don't draw blood maybe they're not cut out for hunting. This mentality of instant gratification or failure is pitiful. And so many people are teaching their kids, our next generation that instant success is the only way.

I'm not that old but we grew up paying our dues. I cut my teeth crawling around cotton fields trying to coax field turkeys to the gun with nothing but a mouth call. There's thousands just like me that grew to relish to challenge.

Thanks to the mentality you express those views are no longer acceptable. It's how fast and how many can we kill.

This is the problem now. Burn the blind and put the decoys in the recycle bin.
If you want to get back to the basics why dont you find a stump, sit by it, yelp 3 times on a box call and wait for the turkeys to come with no camo, face mask, etc?

Did you ever think, to someone, you were the new generation that did it differently.

I talked to a 70 year old friend the other day, the only way he can get out any more is to use a blind, because of that he uses decoys. For him seeing the birds is just as good as killing, but you would take that from him?

If someone finds a new way to do something, as hunters, why can't we be happy for each other's success?

Everything changes with each generation, country music, baseball, etc. accept it and maybe show these new hunters there are other ways to hunt turkeys instead of trying to alienate them from the sport.


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A 70 year old in this state hasn't been chasing turkeys their entire life. There weren't birds around when they were younger. I hunt with several guys that age and they wouldn't dare use a plastic turkey or blind. My dad is 71 and will still walk most in the ground. He doesn't hunt but if he did he wouldn't be sitting in a blind. If a person can sit in a blind they could easily sit in a gobbler lounger chair in the woods with nothing but a call. It's just another excuse.

The basics of turkey hunting for the modern hunter was a gun, call, camo, and tree. The old breed (if you read their books) was adamant about this. I grew up hunting turkeys in South Alabama where the sport started. None of those folks would stoop to decoys or blinds. Granted they were illegal but even now it's taboo in the old school turkey grounds. It came from deer hunters and duck hunters taking up the sport. Again it's all about filling tags not hunting.

I'm not unhappy for others success, and hope all enjoy their time outdoors.

Comparing country music now as a good thing is lauahble. I'm assuming you think Sam Hunt is awesome. I think it's trash. Maybe this explains things :D
 
I'm gonna have to side with knight rider on this one. Setterman I completely agree with the way you hunt. But your piss poor attitude toward younger hunters is NOT going to do anything to help promote the old school way of turkey hunting.


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catman529":3vzi2g8o said:
I'm gonna have to side with knight rider on this one. Setterman I completely agree with the way you hunt. But your piss poor attitude toward younger hunters is NOT going to do anything to help promote the old school way of turkey hunting.


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Piss poor? I took a 18 year old high school senior yesterday. He had killed 3 in his life all out of a blind and decoys. We had an epic hunt, birds gobbling all over us at daylight. Had a pair of strutters come by at 40 yards and I whispered to him they're too far, they were killable but not in my world. We got on another bird around 9 and it played the game perfectly and died at 25 yards after strutting all the way in. Afterwards he told me how happy he was and couldn't believe how much better that was than sitting in a blind.

I've got two open tags, but shelved my own goals to enjoy watching someone else see how cool this sport can be while propped against a tree with nothing but nature between you and a bird

Sorry but I won't be lectured about younger hunters when each season I take several newish hunters along with me to let them experience the world I play in come spring. Every one can't believe how awesome this sport is.

just curious but how many have you done this for this year?
 
Setterman":gfvu5hh1 said:
A 70 year old in this state hasn't been chasing turkeys their entire life. There weren't birds around when they were younger. I hunt with several guys that age and they wouldn't dare use a plastic turkey or blind. My dad is 71 and will still walk most in the ground. He doesn't hunt but if he did he wouldn't be sitting in a blind. If a person can sit in a blind they could easily sit in a gobbler lounger chair in the woods with nothing but a call. It's just another excuse.

The basics of turkey hunting for the modern hunter was a gun, call, camo, and tree. The old breed (if you read their books) was adamant about this. I grew up hunting turkeys in South Alabama where the sport started. None of those folks would stoop to decoys or blinds. Granted they were illegal but even now it's taboo in the old school turkey grounds. It came from deer hunters and duck hunters taking up the sport. Again it's all about filling tags not hunting.

I'm not unhappy for others success, and hope all enjoy their time outdoors.

Comparing country music now as a good thing is lauahble. I'm assuming you think Sam Hunt is awesome. I think it's trash. Maybe this explains things :D

You obviously read into things. #1 i never said the 70 year old was from this state and #2 i never said he had hunted turkeys his entire life. I said he was 70 and has to use a blind. Getting into a turkey lounger is much different than getting out of a chair. #3 i never said i liked new country music, i do not. I merely said it has changed, as an example of obvious things that have changed.

I am happy for your dad, sounds like he has aged well. Not everyone is that fortunate. So you are willing to keep people from turkey hunting if they have to use a blind for some reason or another? Way to unite sportsmen.

And you say the basics of turkey hunting for the modern hunter was a gun, a call, camo and a tree. Well there was a time camo was not around, there were no mouth calls, glass calls, tube calls, so you, as the modern hunter have changed the way people hunted turkeys. You are rationalizing it to fit what you want it to but exclude who you want it to.


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Setterman":2vvnnhvt said:
catman529":2vvnnhvt said:
I'm gonna have to side with knight rider on this one. Setterman I completely agree with the way you hunt. But your piss poor attitude toward younger hunters is NOT going to do anything to help promote the old school way of turkey hunting.


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Piss poor? I took a 18 year old high school senior yesterday. He had killed 3 in his life all out of a blind and decoys. We had an epic hunt, birds gobbling all over us at daylight. Had a pair of strutters come by at 40 yards and I whispered to him they're too far, they were killable but not in my world. We got on another bird around 9 and it played the game perfectly and died at 25 yards after strutting all the way in. Afterwards he told me how happy he was and couldn't believe how much better that was than sitting in a blind.

I've got two open tags, but shelved my own goals to enjoy watching someone else see how cool this sport can be while propped against a tree with nothing but nature between you and a bird

Sorry but I won't be lectured about younger hunters when each season I take several newish hunters along with me to let them experience the world I play in come spring. Every one can't believe how awesome this sport is.

just curious but how many have you done this for this year?
well you have taken me by surprise, the way you talk on here, I was under the impression you hunt mostly alone and complain about other hunters all the time. Props to you for taking the kid on a real turkey hunt.


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Yeah, I'm not quite as harsh as y'all might think. I do have strong opinions on decoys, blinds, fanning, our turkey management, and the Facebook hunting crowd. However I really try to give back, and enjoy taking new or less fortunate folks to the woods.

One thing I know is that if I want the tradiontal way to carry on the younger crowd needs to experience it. I actually rarely hunt alone, maybe one day out of five. I enjoy sharing the experience with others no matter their level of success.

If you ever met me or talked to me in person you and others would realize I'm not some egotistical monster only out for me. Most of my views come from a deep love of this sport and desire for it to stay as pure as possible. Hunting with calls, gun, and the woods is such an incredible experience that I can't fathom a world trapped in a blind staring at plastic turkeys x
 
Goodtimekiller":27qplhgs said:
Setterman":27qplhgs said:
A 70 year old in this state hasn't been chasing turkeys their entire life. There weren't birds around when they were younger. I hunt with several guys that age and they wouldn't dare use a plastic turkey or blind. My dad is 71 and will still walk most in the ground. He doesn't hunt but if he did he wouldn't be sitting in a blind. If a person can sit in a blind they could easily sit in a gobbler lounger chair in the woods with nothing but a call. It's just another excuse.

The basics of turkey hunting for the modern hunter was a gun, call, camo, and tree. The old breed (if you read their books) was adamant about this. I grew up hunting turkeys in South Alabama where the sport started. None of those folks would stoop to decoys or blinds. Granted they were illegal but even now it's taboo in the old school turkey grounds. It came from deer hunters and duck hunters taking up the sport. Again it's all about filling tags not hunting.

I'm not unhappy for others success, and hope all enjoy their time outdoors.

Comparing country music now as a good thing is lauahble. I'm assuming you think Sam Hunt is awesome. I think it's trash. Maybe this explains things :D

You obviously read into things. #1 i never said the 70 year old was from this state and #2 i never said he had hunted turkeys his entire life. I said he was 70 and has to use a blind. Getting into a turkey lounger is much different than getting out of a chair. #3 i never said i liked new country music, i do not. I merely said it has changed, as an example of obvious things that have changed.

I am happy for your dad, sounds like he has aged well. Not everyone is that fortunate. So you are willing to keep people from turkey hunting if they have to use a blind for some reason or another? Way to unite sportsmen.

And you say the basics of turkey hunting for the modern hunter was a gun, a call, camo and a tree. Well there was a time camo was not around, there were no mouth calls, glass calls, tube calls, so you, as the modern hunter have changed the way people hunted turkeys. You are rationalizing it to fit what you want it to but exclude who you want it to.


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If a hunter can sit in a blind then they can obviously get around good enough to hunt without. If they have the strength to set up a blind etc, explain to me why can't they hunt the same spot with out it?

It's a deer hunter mentality. Not a turkey hunter mentality.
 
Setterman":33fru5et said:
Goodtimekiller":33fru5et said:
Setterman":33fru5et said:
A 70 year old in this state hasn't been chasing turkeys their entire life. There weren't birds around when they were younger. I hunt with several guys that age and they wouldn't dare use a plastic turkey or blind. My dad is 71 and will still walk most in the ground. He doesn't hunt but if he did he wouldn't be sitting in a blind. If a person can sit in a blind they could easily sit in a gobbler lounger chair in the woods with nothing but a call. It's just another excuse.

The basics of turkey hunting for the modern hunter was a gun, call, camo, and tree. The old breed (if you read their books) was adamant about this. I grew up hunting turkeys in South Alabama where the sport started. None of those folks would stoop to decoys or blinds. Granted they were illegal but even now it's taboo in the old school turkey grounds. It came from deer hunters and duck hunters taking up the sport. Again it's all about filling tags not hunting.

I'm not unhappy for others success, and hope all enjoy their time outdoors.

Comparing country music now as a good thing is lauahble. I'm assuming you think Sam Hunt is awesome. I think it's trash. Maybe this explains things :D

You obviously read into things. #1 i never said the 70 year old was from this state and #2 i never said he had hunted turkeys his entire life. I said he was 70 and has to use a blind. Getting into a turkey lounger is much different than getting out of a chair. #3 i never said i liked new country music, i do not. I merely said it has changed, as an example of obvious things that have changed.

I am happy for your dad, sounds like he has aged well. Not everyone is that fortunate. So you are willing to keep people from turkey hunting if they have to use a blind for some reason or another? Way to unite sportsmen.

And you say the basics of turkey hunting for the modern hunter was a gun, a call, camo and a tree. Well there was a time camo was not around, there were no mouth calls, glass calls, tube calls, so you, as the modern hunter have changed the way people hunted turkeys. You are rationalizing it to fit what you want it to but exclude who you want it to.


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If a hunter can sit in a blind then they can obviously get around good enough to hunt without. If they have the strength to set up a blind etc, explain to me why can't they hunt the same spot with out it?

It's a deer hunter mentality. Not a turkey hunter mentality.
His kids set it up for him and take him.


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I'm gonna have to side with setterman here, but I'm not completely. If blinds and decoys were banned it would be no skin off my back, I actually killed one over a single hen decoy this year for the first time ever, but it wouldn't have made any difference he was ready I could have killed him at 15 yards before he ever even seen the decoy, and I killed him at 25 when 2 jakes made him nervous. I can see a reason for the dekes for 1 reason: small properties, and you don't have to have a blind for that. I have a 50 acre property in Maury county, that I could tag out on in 4 days if I wanted, but it would require setting in one spot from daylight until the Turkey's came through, and I just can't do it.
 
I think if everyone would read "The Tenth Legion" they would understand. I read it every year during January or February.

I do think the physically disabled can maybe use a blind and or decoy. Although most of the old school men wouldn't do it anyways. It is a deer/duck hunter mentality.

The young hunters that are physically able I believe need to learn how to do it the real way. The easy/instant gratification kill on opening morning in a food plot bothers me. Great for the young kids to be happy, But I think it could handicap them from the true experience of calling up and killing a bird the old school way.

I shot my first one sitting in between my dads legs in a hardwood creek bottom. I don't even think I knew what a decoy was, and the only blind I knew of would be one you built out of sticks and leaves. Shot him with a 20 gauge single shot with a modified barrel with heavy loaded number 6s at about twenty yards.


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You guys are so egotistical to think your way is the only way. It's a deer hunting mentality to sit in a blind? No it's the way some people have to and the way other people enjoy hunting. Just like different people like different drinks. Some people enjoy hunting differently than you do. Just because it's not your fairy tale mystical experience does not mean it isnt theirs. I've never seen turkey hunters ridiculed as much as i have in this site. This is a great way to bring separation between hunters. As numerous as we are in the American population, we could stand to lose some members and become less unified.


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Although there is no shortage of those hunting turkeys these days, there are very few real turkey hunters amoung the ranks. This is only the opinion of myself and my Kin, as well as a small circle of close friends. Old school to the bone here. If the Gobbler you killed was not called down the barrel, to within 40 yards of the tree you were sitting against, without the use of decoys, we don't want to here about it ;)
 
Hunters make up less than 10% of the population. There is a shortage of hunters period. And i don't care how you legally kill a turkey, i'd love to hear about it. But all of the real hard core turkey hunters use bows, if you have to use a gun that's pretty much taking the easy way out.


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