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Jakes.... Yes or No?

I might sometimes and other times i won't.If i have a fun hunt and want to I will shoot the jake.other hunts I might let it walk off.
 
Well said Setterman.
Setterman said:
arctic_cat said:
whitetailfreak said:
Not usually unless it is an accident.
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how can it be an accident? Do you not look at what your aiming at before you pull the trigger?
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I understand how it can be an "accident", it is more a mistake then an accident. I have seen it happen plenty of times, and been fortunate to not make the same mistake myself over the years. IT is quite common, and nothing dangerous or unsafe behind a mistake jake going down.
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In a heartbeat! I have killed a number of jakes and hope to have the opportunity to do so again. The only birds that I called within range this season were jakes. I was trying to shoot the first one, and I moved and he made me. A week later(the last week of the season) three came in and I busted one. So, a jake basically made my not so good season. I am way down in the fall in life, and anyone who suggests that the jake will be a longbeard for me next year is just plain silly. Wait! Wait for what?! I have killed four age classes of gobblers, and it makes no difference to me how long the beard is on the next bird that shows up. lol
 
It depends on what kind of mood I'm in and how much luck I've had up to that point. If I had one come in gobbling and strutting around like a big boy I probably would treat him like one :grin: ....but I usually give them a pass. I let two walk this year, but I shot one the year before. :D
 
Define 'JAKE'...
Seen a few 'older birds' that actually had beard rot. Would that classify as a JAKE?
Stupid law with now way to really police it IMO.
 
It's beneath my dignity to kill a jake, but I will soften my holier than thou attitude and say that in some instances(but not all) it is OK to kill a jake, if you are 5 years old(or a hundred and eight) blind, and in a wheelchair. Run the particulars by me in each case and I will decide if the kill meets with my approval.
 
stik said:
Jason Bagby said:
stik said:
Jason Bagby said:
Define 'JAKE'...
Seen a few 'older birds' that actually had beard rot. Would that classify as a JAKE?
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i thought the age of the bird determined that.
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How exactly do you 'age' a turkey?
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a jake will have uneven tail feathers and age can be estimated by the spurs.
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Not true in all cases.
Not the 'norm' but not the truth either.
I have seen jakes that have had a full tail fan. (Short beard nub spurs.)
And then again I have seen 'longbeards' with nubs for spurs.
While 'most' jakes meet the criteria of the 3 middle feathers being longer than the others, that is not 'always' the case.
Hence me saying that this law is going to be based on 'opinion' not facts and hard to police.
 
http://www.nwtf.org/all_about_turkeys/n ... _look.html

Look for the following, in the link provided....

Tail:
Wild turkey tails are usually 12 to 15 inches long and are banded at their tips. The color of the bands in the tail varies by subspecies.
Male wild turkeys fan their tails when displaying to attract a mate.
You can usually tell the difference between an adult male (a tom) and a juvenile male (a jake) turkey by looking at a turkey's tail. All tail feathers of adult males are the same length. The feathers forming the center of a jake's tail are usually longer than the rest of the feathers in the tail.


The key to look at here is what is in bold. "Are usually longer" meaning not the case in every instance but 'usually'.
 
page 39 of the TWRA 2010-11 hunting guide:


Aging Chart

Age - Spur Length
1 year(jake) - 1/2" or less
2 years - 1/2"-7/8"
3 years - 7/8"-1"
4 years - 1"+


i'm sure there are exceptions but as a general rule, this is pretty close.
 
stik said:
page 39 of the TWRA 2010-11 hunting guide:


Aging Chart

Age - Spur Length
1 year(jake) - 1/2" or less
2 years - 1/2"-7/8"
3 years - 7/8"-1"
4 years - 1"+


i'm sure there are exceptions but as a general rule, this is pretty close.
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And again. Even YOU just admitted that there are 'EXCEPTION' and 'This is pretty close'.
Depending on the terrain, Spurs over time can be worn down to nubs on rocky/hilly/rough terrain. Soft soils and sandy terrain not so much. Proven fact.
I don't know about you or anyone else but I would hate to be put in the position of an 'exception' or 'pretty close' when it comes down to it. Its a 'best judgement' call at that point. And depending on if that said person has had a bad day or whatever... it could cost YOU on his uneducated 'JUDGEMENT'.
Laws are made to be black and white. Should be NO grey area.
 
Jason Bagby said:
stik said:
page 39 of the TWRA 2010-11 hunting guide:


Aging Chart

Age - Spur Length
1 year(jake) - 1/2" or less
2 years - 1/2"-7/8"
3 years - 7/8"-1"
4 years - 1"+


i'm sure there are exceptions but as a general rule, this is pretty close.
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And again. Even YOU just admitted that there are 'EXCEPTION' and 'This is pretty close'.
Depending on the terrain, Spurs over time can be worn down to nubs on rocky/hilly/rough terrain. Soft soils and sandy terrain not so much. Proven fact.
I don't know about you or anyone else but I would hate to be put in the position of an 'exception' or 'pretty close' when it comes down to it. Its a 'best judgement' call at that point. And depending on if that said person has had a bad day or whatever... it could cost YOU on his uneducated 'JUDGEMENT'.
Laws are made to be black and white. Should be NO grey area.
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jakes are legal. that's pretty black and white. ;)
 

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