Outlaw decoys

[AT Hiker]

Why is it so hard to understand the line? Staking a strutter decoy out is child's play versus using a manual call to lure a bird in.



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Then you havent done it much


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Your right, after a few times of sticking a strutter decoy out in a field and having turkeys kamikaze in the fun quickly faded.
Did it work every time? No, but the skill involved was childs play.


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[Goodtimekiller]

Why is it so hard to understand the line? Staking a strutter decoy out is child's play versus using a manual call to lure a bird in.



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Then you havent done it much


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Your right, after a few times of sticking a strutter decoy out in a field and having turkeys kamikaze in the fun quickly faded.
Did it work every time? No, but the skill involved was childs play.


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So we agree


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[Roost 1]

I'll go out on a limb and say a large percentage of today's turkey killers have never hunted without a strutting decoy and/or blinds so that's all they know. And since this method is not 100% effective, this is their basis for arguing. However they can not comprehend how low their odds would be on dominate henned field gobblers without these decoys and gadgets.
I can remember when we only had a 5 day season and I'd spend the whole time trying to kill that one old bird. Now just put up a strutter, kill the gobbler after flydown after he bulldozes the decoy and then head to the Waffle House doing your best Michael waddle impression. :bash:

Then why don't all of those young hunters limit out so quick?


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Because they are not tagging the birds. Lots of birds checked in on the last day that were killed weeks earlier. A guy that used to be on this site, might still be under a different user name, told me a good turkey hunter always has a tag in his pocket. I must be either a terrible or great hunter because I always got several in my pocket. :shock:

 

[AT Hiker]

To Goodtimekiller, I guess[emoji848]


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[Goodtimekiller]

I'll go out on a limb and say a large percentage of today's turkey killers have never hunted without a strutting decoy and/or blinds so that's all they know. And since this method is not 100% effective, this is their basis for arguing. However they can not comprehend how low their odds would be on dominate henned field gobblers without these decoys and gadgets.
I can remember when we only had a 5 day season and I'd spend the whole time trying to kill that one old bird. Now just put up a strutter, kill the gobbler after flydown after he bulldozes the decoy and then head to the Waffle House doing your best Michael waddle impression. :bash:

Then why don't all of those young hunters limit out so quick?


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Because they are not tagging the birds. Lots of birds checked in on the last day that were killed weeks earlier. A guy that used to be on this site, might still be under a different user name, told me a good turkey hunter always has a tag in his pocket. I must be either a terrible or great hunter because I always got several in my pocket. :shock:

Well that is another issue to be addressed. They should not be hunting at all because they are poachers.


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[Roost 1]

I agree... lots of people don't understand how bad it really is. Online check in is nothing more than a license to steal. Only works as intended for the honest hunters.

 

[Goodtimekiller]

I agree... lots of people don't understand how bad it really is. Online check in is nothing more than a license to steal. Only works as intended for the honest hunters.

Do you think there are more hunters doing it now with online check in? I figured it was about the same, if they arent gonna check it they just arent, and i would much rather check it in from home than have to drive 10 miles to do it.


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[AT Hiker]

KS has a pretty good online check in, at least they used to. I had to take a picture and submit it, one pic had to be of my physical tag attached to the bird.


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[Goodtimekiller]

KS has a pretty good online check in, at least they used to. I had to take a picture and submit it, one pic had to be of my physical tag attached to the bird.


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They should make shot shells with microcomputers that are set off when people shoot


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[AT Hiker]

KS has a pretty good online check in, at least they used to. I had to take a picture and submit it, one pic had to be of my physical tag attached to the bird.


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They should make shot shells with microcomputers that are set off when people shoot


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Are you being serious?


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[Goodtimekiller]

KS has a pretty good online check in, at least they used to. I had to take a picture and submit it, one pic had to be of my physical tag attached to the bird.


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They should make shot shells with microcomputers that are set off when people shoot


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Are you being serious?


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Well sure, i hate poachers


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[Southern Sportsman]

To say your traditional hunting is more challenging is not true. Maybe more mentally challenging, but i do not know anything much more challenging than belly crawling 200 yds holding a decoy and a gun, trying not to be seen by 10-15 turkeys and get close enough to one particular one for a shot. And the reward of that is pretty incredible. The sport of turkey hunting means different things to different people, so lets outlaw the ones we don't agree with? And the public is the one who draws the lines, remembering 90% of the public is nonhunting. Sure most nonhunters dont care but let some of them get wind or hear of this and they'll be sure to jump in.

Earlier i said it is the regulations, public or personal that one sets that will kill or not kill turkeys, its not the decoys. But if the twra, nwtf, federal f&w and myself see no reason to exclude decoys then why shouldnt i use them if they make the sport more enjoyable to me? Now if things go awry and change then yes, regulations should change, i agree with that, but like i said earlier, many things cause way more deaths than turkey decoys and thats where we should be focused.

I never said anyone should not give their opinion, as a matter of fact, i invite and promote it, but at the same time im giving mine. And my opinion is not that decoys should be legal or illegal but what about the all the other stuff. Camo helps conceal a good bit of movement and body shape. I sat in the middle of a cow pasture with a buddy this year and had 6 turkeys at 8 feet for a long time with no cover. If i had been in a white t-shirt would that happen? Who knows.

So no, maybe its not time to join hands and sing kumbayya, but we better join hands and do something, we make up 10% of the population.

I am not going to attack you or anyone else personally, but I could not possible disagree more with your take on crawling up to turkeys behind a decoy. It makes me almost nauseous to watch the greatest game bird on earth turned into the target of a carnival shooting game. If you crawl 200 yards behind a decoy to kill a turkey you are just substituting sore abs for the actual skill required to kill a turkey with woodsmanship and calling. And comparing a strutter decoy to calls and camo is the worst kind of strawman argument.

 

[AT Hiker]

I'm not a "fan" of poachers either, see what I did there[emoji14]

But a microchip in a shot shell is the harbinger to the end of American freedom.


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[Goodtimekiller]

To say your traditional hunting is more challenging is not true. Maybe more mentally challenging, but i do not know anything much more challenging than belly crawling 200 yds holding a decoy and a gun, trying not to be seen by 10-15 turkeys and get close enough to one particular one for a shot. And the reward of that is pretty incredible. The sport of turkey hunting means different things to different people, so lets outlaw the ones we don't agree with? And the public is the one who draws the lines, remembering 90% of the public is nonhunting. Sure most nonhunters dont care but let some of them get wind or hear of this and they'll be sure to jump in.

Earlier i said it is the regulations, public or personal that one sets that will kill or not kill turkeys, its not the decoys. But if the twra, nwtf, federal f&w and myself see no reason to exclude decoys then why shouldnt i use them if they make the sport more enjoyable to me? Now if things go awry and change then yes, regulations should change, i agree with that, but like i said earlier, many things cause way more deaths than turkey decoys and thats where we should be focused.

I never said anyone should not give their opinion, as a matter of fact, i invite and promote it, but at the same time im giving mine. And my opinion is not that decoys should be legal or illegal but what about the all the other stuff. Camo helps conceal a good bit of movement and body shape. I sat in the middle of a cow pasture with a buddy this year and had 6 turkeys at 8 feet for a long time with no cover. If i had been in a white t-shirt would that happen? Who knows.

So no, maybe its not time to join hands and sing kumbayya, but we better join hands and do something, we make up 10% of the population.

I am not going to attack you or anyone else personally, but I could not possible disagree more with your take on crawling up to turkeys behind a decoy. It makes me almost nauseous to watch the greatest game bird on earth turned into the target of a carnival shooting game. If you crawl 200 yards behind a decoy to kill a turkey you are just substituting sore abs for the actual skill required to kill a turkey with woodsmanship and calling. And comparing a strutter decoy to calls and camo is the worst kind of strawman argument.

I just said it was physically challenging. But like ive said, ive seen many 10 year olds call in turkeys. I sound like a wounded duck and call in a bunch. I agree, sometimes matt van cise couldnt call them in but sometimes a honking horn can, so you can argue all you want about how hard it is to call them in but i can think of dozens of times very sub par calling killed mature birds.



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[Goodtimekiller]

I'm not a "fan" of poachers either, see what I did there[emoji14]

But a microchip in a shot shell is the harbinger to American freedoms.


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Its in the shell not in the person, i think if you have a cell phone anymore your American freedom is gone. Nice pun by the way.


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[Setterman]

Try crawling 200 yards without a decoy to hide your movements...

Done that too, not nearly as painful.


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So you think crawling 200 makes it challenging? How about climbing straight up a mountain on all flours for an hour to get to a bird. There's no comparison on which is harder.

You think the strutters world is tough? Ha, try maneuvering in early season hardwoods to get close enough to work a bird, having to read the lay of the land, where the bird is headed, are his hens going to see me, is he going to circle just out of range because there's no Plastic turkey to draw him in?

If you truly think that staking out a decoy in a field is as challenging as getting in the woods sans decoy and calling one to 25 yards then I'd say you've never done much of the latter. The challenge you list to strutters is they may not come. Well add that to the list of about 1000 pitfalls hunting without it.

As I said and others, leave that plastic turkey at home and go lock horns with that dominant field bird and see how you do. The answer is a lot of unfilled tags.

 

[hayden01]

So let's sell the tags and get mad when they get used. Hmmmm

 

[Goodtimekiller]

Try crawling 200 yards without a decoy to hide your movements...

Done that too, not nearly as painful.


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So you think crawling 200 makes it challenging? How about climbing straight up a mountain on all flours for an hour to get to a bird. There's no comparison on which is harder.

You think the strutters world is tough? Ha, try maneuvering in early season hardwoods to get close enough to work a bird, having to read the lay of the land, where the bird is headed, are his hens going to see me, is he going to circle just out of range because there's no Plastic turkey to draw him in?

If you truly think that staking out a decoy in a field is as challenging as getting in the woods sans decoy and calling one to 25 yards then I'd say you've never done much of the latter. The challenge you list to strutters is they may not come. Well add that to the list of about 1000 pitfalls hunting without it.

As I said and others, leave that plastic turkey at home and go lock horns with that dominant field bird and see how you do. The answer is a lot of unfilled tags.

You obviously havent heard a word ive said here or anywhere else and thats why its hard to have a discussion with you. I was filling tags long before strutters cane out, but that's not even close to the point of any of my posts.

And i chase elk at 10k-11k' every year, your 6k' doesnt even compare.

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[poorhunter]

Times past, field birds were usually unkillable. They were the ones guys spent days and days chasing after and most often failed to kill. Now all it takes is 15 min, and move to the next "unkillable" bird. Folks can deny it all they want, but that is the reality. Now, is this THE reason for the drastic decline in bird numbers? No, but it may be the straw that broke the camels back in places.

 

[knightrider]

Unkillable turkey :rotf: :rotf: that's the funniest thing of all these threads, because they ain't one! Difficult maybe, unkillable not a chance. I'm not talking sticking decoys in the ground either I'm talking scouting,terrain, and the long lost art of patience! It may take a day or two but he is killable!!