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Ski

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Found a nice rub today & figured I'd take a few pics & share how I analyze the situation to put the rub into context. Rubs are seemingly made for many different reasons and most don't mean much of anything to me. But I always take a moment to look around the immediate area surrounding it to see if there's an obvious "why" or if it's just a random rub like most. This one was interesting on a couple different levels so thought I'd share my thought process. As they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

Starting with first pic there is a rub facing a very well worn, bare dirt, large bed nestled up tight to a dead log. There's poop old and fresh all over the place. Behind the rub are two more lesser worn beds.

Second pic shows rub from opposite side and if you look up there is a broken limb with branches & wilting leaves dangling low. The lowest branches have no leaves but up just out of deer reach are plenty of leaves. Since deer don't prefer eating beech leaves but do prefer them for scrapes, I'm going to assume the leaves are missing because they're using it as a licking branch. It's likely how the limb got broken in the first place.

Last pic is a front view of the rub, what a buck laying in the bare dirt bed would be looking at. The rubbed area isn't tore up aggressively, nothing abnormally impressive at first glance. But then I see an antler gouge mark about 5ft up, which I'm pointing at. Upon a closer look there are faint gouges and scuffs all up & down between where I'm pointing and the rubbed area.

Here are my thoughts. There are acorns laying everywhere. That the rub is not wet or green so it's at least a few days old, as old as the dry poop laying around. That means the deer have been there for as long as the acorns have been dropping and likely will be until acorns are gone. Being late summer it's almost certainly a bachelor group, not just one buck. The multiple beds are probably single random use all except the bare dirt one. It's getting used obviously more than once. Given it's proximity and alignment with the rub I assume that's where the dominant buck in the group is laying, and 5ft high gouge marks mean his tine length rubs that high as he tilts his forehead down to the rub area. Not a yearling fork horn. It's wide open closed canopy with near zero undergrowth so acorns is all they have to eat. That tells me this is a largely nighttime area and daylight is being spent in a greener area where they can source moisture or water. Even still it's flat, open, shady, cool, and breezy. Nothing can get anywhere near without being seen, heard, or smelled. But since they're not in there during daytime I should be able to get in a couple hours before dark to hang a stand & wait. Ideally I'd wait for an overcast evening with cool breeze. The overcast cover would make it seem dark early so they'd come out earlier, while the breeze would both knock acorns to the ground and give me a consistent wind to hunt. It would also possibly mask my movement if I had to draw my bow.

That's how I interpret the sign and how I'd approach hunting it. I know season is more than a week away yet and by then these deer may be a mile away. But if season was open today I think I'd have better than fair odds at tagging a very nice buck. Finding rubs usually doesn't mean much to me but this is one of those times it does. Older bucks more than younger bucks rub & scrape next to their beds but it's usually a crapshoot guessing when he'll be there. This one is a no brainer. He'll be there.


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It's really early here too, another anecdotal indicator that it's an older buck. I normally wouldn't look twice at a rub but being the first of the season I walked over to check it out and then realized what it was. I only ever see these type bedding rubs done by older bucks but not every older buck does it and not at every bedding site. Sure makes it easy to find the big guy when they do though! I'll try to get out again maybe this weekend & hang a camera.
 
Where I hunt, that place you scouted would be BURNED!
In this weather, scent lingers for WEEKS.
I can't stress how important staying out of pressured, mature buck areas are to my hunting practices.
Hope you get him!
 
Where I hunt, that place you scouted would be BURNED!
In this weather, scent lingers for WEEKS.
I can't stress how important staying out of pressured, mature buck areas are to my hunting practices.
Hope you get him!

Well I guess it's best for both of us that I don't hunt where you hunt 😁

What I've seen is that deer react to my scouting about the same way they react to any other predator roaming through looking for a meal. They scramble. But they come back later & investigate the scent left behind, then once they've established the danger is gone they go back to normal behavior. Doesn't matter how old or what sex. Older deer obviously are most cautious but they don't permanently leave their home because of a trail of predator scent.

They permanently leave their home when a predator moves in to take up residence. When there's a recurring, cumulative, saturation of predator scent it means a predator is now living there. That's what a tree stand & blind become. No different than a coyote den. Deer perceive them the same way in my experience. He's not going to feel any more comfortable living next to a frequently hunted tree stand than he is living next to an active coyote den.

Deer on pressured ground are especially adapted to human intrusion. If they bugged out every time they encountered human scent in their core area, there would be no deer at all on public ground. How many human trails has a 5yr old buck on public ground cut in his life? Dozens? Hundreds? More? He's made a living by finding the spot on the ground that gives him the best vantage from hence to utilize his danger detecting senses, and it's kept him alive. He's not giving it up the spot that's always kept him safe just because he smelled where a human had walked through. Soon as imminent danger is gone he'll be right back in.
 
Ski wrote...

"Deer on pressured ground are especially adapted to human intrusion. If they bugged out every time they encountered human scent in their core area, there would be no deer at all on public ground. How many human trails has a 5yr old buck on public ground cut in his life? Dozens? Hundreds? More? He's made a living by finding the spot on the ground that gives him the best vantage from hence to utilize his danger detecting senses, and it's kept him alive. He's not giving it up the spot that's always kept him safe just because he smelled where a human had walked through. Soon as imminent danger is gone he'll be right back in."

I could NOT have said it better myself!

Mature deer are absolute EXPERTS at surviving, and having the upper hand once they realize they are being hunted! You make my point very well!

I didn't say they left. I said that spot was "burned". Which means they are on to me!

And again, why I stay out of my best areas until the time is right!

But I do have limited access to areas of private from time to time where the deer are not as "spooky". And in these areas...I scout much closer to the time I hunt!
 

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