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What would it really Negatively effect?

Would it really be a bad thing?

Could it benefit YOU and, more importantly the herd?

IMO, it's not comparable to the "crossbow" as it's a tool you use to monitor 24/7 while you're doing other things and probably plan your weekend around your survey. We could go on and on about "what's fair" but I'm not looking for that discussion.

I understand the use for the FEW here who actually do legitimate surveys and this is not geared towards that concept.
 
TWRA or any other states don't have the manpower to cover illegal stuff as it is so no way they'd be able to keep up with it.

I love running cams as much as I do hunting. It's just fun for me to see what shows up, what made it after season etc. I have got caught up in running cams over the years that I wouldn't hunt spots just because I wasn't getting good deer on cam. But I have been shown the last 2 years that cams are just a small snap shot of what can really be out there. Although I already knew that but was just too bullheaded.

Although there's one here there swears that mature bucks won't go in front of a camera I love seeing mature bucks on cam and don't plan to stop using them.
 
Ski said:
What reasonable purpose could banning cameras have?
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Not just soloing you out, but I've located several deer I wouldn't have otherwise known about without a camera? Is that really fair?

Not legally, I'm guilty of getting too caught up in a "ghost" I have one picture of and forgetting about everything else. At the end of the season or two in search of such, you question whether it was really fun or not. Greed…
 
BDS05 said:
Not just soloing you out, but I've located several deer I wouldn't have otherwise known about without a camera? Is that really fair?

Not legally, I'm guilty of getting too caught up in a "ghost" I have one picture of and forgetting about everything else. At the end of the season or two in search of such, you question whether it was really fun or not. Greed…
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Those are not reasonable. Those pertain specifically to you. What's not fair is projecting your own personal hiccups with cameras on everyone else, then outlawing them for it. Your lack of self management is not the fault of the camera, and does not translate to everybody else having the same lack of self management.

IMO, reasonable would mean that they somehow adversely affect a majority of license holders in that state, are harmful to the environment, or something along those lines.
 
Ski said:
Those are not reasonable. Those pertain specifically to you. What's not fair is projecting your own personal hiccups with cameras on everyone else, then outlawing them for it. Your lack of self management is not the fault of the camera, and does not translate to everybody else having the same lack of self management.

IMO, reasonable would mean that they somehow adversely affect a majority of license holders in that state, are harmful to the environment, or something along those lines.
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How is it not reasonable if you locate a deer you otherwise had no chance of locating without a piece of technology sitting in the woods 24/7?

I don't know whether I'd be for or against the ban. It's a love/hate for me.
 
Before cameras nobody but deer farms knew all the deer on a property. I remember a time when we were happy to shoot fork horns and small 6 pointers because it was a big deal to get a buck. Big bucks were a once in a lifetime random thing.

As cameras became mainstream and people realized what deer could be on a regular basis, then people began letting young bucks walk. Now we're in an age of knowing how to age a buck, how to enhance his habitat, and protect him until he's a harvestable maturity. If anything cameras have been more than fair to deer as a whole.
 
BDS05 said:
How is it not reasonable if you locate a deer you otherwise had no chance of locating without a piece of technology sitting in the woods 24/7?

I don't know whether I'd be for or against the ban. It's a love/hate for me.
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Speaking of reasonable and not reasonable the ban out west they did is imo reasonable. People putting cams up over the only possible water source the wildlife have there and pressuring them so much they don't come to it is a pretty reasonable situation to ban them. From what I've seen around these parts (TN, Ky, Bama, Mississippi, etc) there's no reasonable arguments to really ban them.
 
rem270 said:
Speaking of reasonable and not reasonable the ban out west they did is imo reasonable. People putting cams up over the only possible water source the wildlife have there and pressuring them so much they don't come to it is a pretty reasonable situation to ban them.
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Agreed. The story I heard was that ranch hands and guides would chase elk off of water sources to prevent anybody from shooting them, so they could save them for their own clients. It apparently was causing a lot of conflict.
 
I spend WAY more time and money on habitat improvements & food plots than I do on actuality hunting...I truly do enjoy working on the land...and "running cameras" to see what deer are around is a nice way to see the "fruits of our labor". Also enjoy seeing turkeys and other critters as well.
Honestly....cameras have saved a bunch of deers lives on our place because we've had the opportunity to study different bucks and decide in advance not to shoot particular bucks verses trying to decide in a rush when or if a shot opportunity presents itself....But I will admit.... pictures have made me more patient... knowing a mature buck is using the area motivates me to sit longer and hunt harder....which in turn improves my overall hunting & land management experience.
 
I'll not take down cams. Can't tell a man he can't monitor his property. Do harvest numbers back up that the introduction of cams have led to an increase in harvest numbers? I'm guessing no. Arbitrary bans… Typical government regulation. Let's do SOMETHING! But it's not logical Bill. Yeah I know but… it's SOMETHING!
 
At this point in time why would anyone wish or consider more state regulations on how you can hunt. I don't know why so many get caught up in "what I think is right and everyone else needs to do it too". If someone thinks cams are not fair then don't use them but that's not your neighbor's problem. Not everything needs to be a debate do what makes you happy. Cameras in my opinion have helped kill many good deer but they have saved way more smaller bucks in the process.
 
redblood said:
I own the farms i hunt on. No way they can tell me i cant strap a camera to a tree i own. No way
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Yes, they can. That ship sailed a long time ago—Alexis d'Tocqueville was talking about soft despotism in America in the 1830s.
They might not have the manpower to prevent people from hunting deer over corn on private, but they sure sniff out dove fields on private. About takes a degree in metaphysics to understand what is and isn't baiting, there. Either way, anticipating potential perceived violations stifles an owner's action on their property with fear. Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe not.
 
younggun308 said:
Yes, they can. That ship sailed a long time ago—Alexis d'Tocqueville was talking about soft despotism in America in the 1830s.
They might not have the manpower to prevent people from hunting deer over corn on private, but they sure sniff out dove fields on private. About takes a degree in metaphysics to understand what is and isn't baiting, there. Either way, anticipating potential perceived violations stifles an owner's action on their property with fear. Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe not.
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I disagree. I do not see them going down the rd to enforce and unenforceable law
 
BDS05 said:
I understand the use for the FEW here who actually do legitimate surveys and this is not geared towards that concept.
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Define legitimate.
Camera surveys indicate populations, ratios, overall health, individual health, food plot usage, travel corridors, bedding areas, fawn recruitment, predator presence and numbers, sanctuary use for value & location, trespassers, rogue users interloping and general property security. So for a farm manager, property manager, lessor, lessee, which of these are legitimate??
Our circumstances are far from those of the northwest and there is no comparison and that to me, makes your query illegit.

There are many reasons to keep and use these cameras, statistical surveys are the least of them statistically speaking. I am certain they have contributed vastly to the knowledge of wildlife by those most involved. I am certain they have reduced wounded and lost animals by aiding in hunter placement and I am certain that users in this region use them far more often in a broad sense as mentioned above rather than the narrow minded one you compare it to in which trophy hunting is the only legit reason to consider such an intrusion onto liberty.
 

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