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BDS05 said:
Not just soloing you out, but I've located several deer I wouldn't have otherwise known about without a camera? Is that really fair?

Not legally, I'm guilty of getting too caught up in a "ghost" I have one picture of and forgetting about everything else. At the end of the season or two in search of such, you question whether it was really fun or not. Greed…
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So, let me get this straight. You located a ghost buck with your trail camera, spent two or more years trying to kill this buck with no success. Realized you were not having fun and now want to ban trail cams for everyone. How about you give up using them and let everyone else make their own decisions.
 
BDS05 said:
Trail cams…

What would it really Negatively effect?

Would it really be a bad thing?

Could it benefit YOU and, more importantly the herd?

IMO, it's not comparable to the "crossbow" as it's a tool you use to monitor 24/7 while you're doing other things and probably plan your weekend around your survey. We could go on and on about "what's fair" but I'm not looking for that discussion.

I understand the use for the FEW here who actually do legitimate surveys and this is not geared towards that concept.
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1.)Banning trail cams here would not negatively impact me or anything I can think of for that matter, from a hunting stand point. We got along just fine without them.
2.)I don't think it would be a bad thing, or that it's needed here. The bad might be the divide it causes between hunters and state game managers.
3.)Banning trail cams would have a positive impact on one place I hunt, my two goof ball hunting buddies spend more time stomping around the property checking cameras and blowing out deer than they do actually hunting and fine tuning their woodsman ship.
Banning them would have a negative impact on the herd at that place, because deer would actually use our property and I would end up killing more😛

I think the only debate with trail cameras here is the internal one with your self ethics, policing ethics is a lost cause.
Once it has a negative effect on the wildlife then I'll be on board with regulations.

I do enjoy the discussions though. Technology is advancing at a crazy rate. Its best to acknowledge that now before it's too far gone. Like wildcats Wild description of the Jetsons hunting with drones, as wild as it is it's not beyond of the realm of being a possibility.
Aerial scouting with drones is real, not sure of the legality here but I would be 100% behind a ban on them during Spring Turkey season.
 
Disclaimer, only MY opinion: I LOVE setting out trail cams. I use for inventory and because I f'ng LOVE seeing deer. I have never placed cams (cell or other) in hopes of being able to "go get that deer" when I see a pic because I am over an hour from the property I hunt. I dont even have the pic alerts set on my phone. Banning cams would accomplish what exactly? If you have only 2 tags (TN), what does it matter how you "find" your deer? Is it any different from the neighbor on a tractor telling you where he saw a "big one"? Riding the roads to see where the deer are? Spotlighting a field at night? Who is hurt by you running cams even if you use it to go after a particular deer? A cam is placed to monitor a spot. You find the spot and gamble that something will cross the cam. Before cams, you did the same thing when you just placed a stand in a good location you found. Things some would say should be banned: When you plant a food plot and put a stand there? When you put a stand next to ag? When you run minerals/attractant/food outside of the season and stop filling right before season but hunt over it? Many have opinions on these too. Just one mans opinion.
 
chris1976 said:
So, let me get this straight. You located a ghost buck with your trail camera, spent two or more years trying to kill this buck with no success. Realized you were not having fun and now want to ban trail cams for everyone. How about you give up using them and let everyone else make their own decisions.
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You should read everything again with a level head. Discussion is good.
 
I grew up in TN, lived in Utah for 5 years, now live in Idaho. Until you see why they banned them out here you're comparing apples to oranges. 40-50 cameras on one water tank, with people constantly and DELIBERATELY checking cams during prime hunting hours to spoil others hunts and keep animals off the water forced the DNR's hand. Guides and outfitters are the worst. They'll run animals away from someone who spent 25 years waiting on a tag just so their clients can kill it. Guides have been knocked unconscious over behavior like this, well deserved.
 
sneakybow said:
I grew up in TN, lived in Utah for 5 years, now live in Idaho. Until you see why they banned them out here you're comparing apples to oranges. 40-50 cameras on one water tank, with people constantly and DELIBERATELY checking cams during prime hunting hours to spoil others hunts and keep animals off the water forced the DNR's hand. Guides and outfitters are the worst. They'll run animals away from someone who spent 25 years waiting on a tag just so their clients can kill it. Guides have been knocked unconscious over behavior like this, well deserved.
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Are they banned on private land?
 
Another example of stupidity.
I love getting picture whether it's a big bunch, does, fawns, coyotes, my goofy neighbors messin with me, and I especially love the Turkey pictures.
I also get to see what's happening on my property 450 miles away.
Caught this guy:
That's not a knife in his hand. It's a hotdog.
I almost fell off my chair laughing
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Neither Boone and Crockett NOR Pope and Young consider trophies taken with certain types of aid from using cell trail cameras, as eligible for entry into their books.
It is NOT considered fair chase.

I agree.

But I really don't care as long as they remain legal. In MANY Western states they are not allowed.

I have never used one, cell or not, to help me kill a deer.

Scouting is too valuable a tool.

I do use them to figure out where NOT to hunt. Though that backfires on me as well.

Honestly, they are just another form of entertainment for me.
Not really even a tool.
 
Trail cameras are a blast!

I had a plan for a midday hunt in moderately thick woods between 2 extremely thick bedding areas today. I snuck in, but I bumped this buck despite my caution. He ran right by my camera on the way out and got his pic taken. A frustrating failure turned into a success because I caught his escape on camera!
 

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I believe trail cameras have done more good for the increase in mature bucks in our state than harm. I remember when the thought around here was that there just weren't "big bucks". Now, there may not have been as many, but I'm sure there were always 1 or 2 really big ones running around, you just didn't see them. With trail cameras, we've been able to see what is actually out there, even if we've never laid eyes on the deer. Now, do some hunters rely on them too much, even let it be a downfall of their success… maybe. But that's up to them to figure out. If they are happy and content to hunt them with cameras but not ever really shoot them, what's wrong with that?? I've ran cameras some through the years, just got my first cell camera. Will it give me a better chance to kill one? I really don't think so. I scout a ton (mostly in January and February) to find the places I want to set up and hunt the following year. I'll just run cameras to confirm what I already know based on my boots on the ground and see what the actual deer look like. In conclusion, there is no biological reason to ban them at all (BSK please correct me if I'm wrong on that statement) and any attempt to in Tennessee would just be a power grab by the encroaching nanny state in my opinion.
 
DayDay said:
Are they banned on private land?
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The ban in Utah covers everything. Outfitters lease all the private and bring in semi loads of apples and draw deer off the surrounding public. Guys think they're going on a guided hunt for their once in a lifetime hunt and end up sitting over an apple pile. These guys know in real time when their target deer show up. Mule deer numbers are on the decline all over the west. It's a much bigger deal when you're talking about a finite resource that is already pressured. There's more whitetails in TN than there are in probably 4 states combined out here for mule deer. You guys keep saying they can't enforce it on private land... yes they can, just like they don't let you kill deer whenever you feel like during the year. I highly doubt you'll ever have to worry about trail camera bans back east. Maybe the cellular cams, but not all of them.
 
megalomaniac said:
Trail cameras are a blast!

I had a plan for a midday hunt in moderately thick woods between 2 extremely thick bedding areas today. I snuck in, but I bumped this buck despite my caution. He ran right by my camera on the way out and got his pic taken. A frustrating failure turned into a success because I caught his escape on camera!
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Season is done, you illegally hunting?
 

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