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Turkey Limits

I actually disagree on the baiting thing. Hen turkeys typically seek out the best nesting habitat over corn.
Turkeys eat pretty much everything, so moving away from corn doesn't hurt them that much.
I'm not saying any of you are wrong, that's just my opinion.
You very well could have a point though

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Roost 1":wy6lf9gz said:
The non-hunting public who like to feed wildlife are not baiters and therefore irelevent to this this discussion. Feed only becomes bait once it is being hunted over.......I will assure you its the number one problem.
Well, you and I just disagree as the relevance to this discussion. :mrgreen:
I believe it's too easy for some to claim "feeding" or to hunt near "feeding", never admitting that they are "poaching" over bait.
But I'm not disagreeing with baiting being a huge problem, possibly our #1 problem, at least among our turkey regs.
And so long as "feeding" is legal, "baiting" will be a larger problem than it would be without "feeding".

Roost 1":wy6lf9gz said:
.....Baiting will be the demise of turkey hunting. Having to remove bait 10 days before you hunt is a joke....In KY you cannot legally feed anything from March 1-June 1 but it still happens here too...
If the law could be changed to make "feeding" wildlife illegal in TN from March 1-June1, I believe that would be a large step in reducing "baiting".
 
When yearly there is a less than desirable poult hatch, you raise the limit on gobblers, and start allowing hens to be shot during Fall season, can someone please explain to me just how their numbers are supposed to rise or even remain the same.
 
Mike Belt":2spi1elt said:
When yearly there is a less than desirable poult hatch, you raise the limit on gobblers, and start allowing hens to be shot during Fall season, can someone please explain to me just how their numbers are supposed to rise or even remain the same.
Good question, Mike, and it certainly makes no sense to me that TWRA did this.
But they did that about a decade ago, not last year. Despite many of us believing this was a mistake and that the turkey limits should be lower, the annual spring gobbler harvest remains about the same in 2016 as it was a decade ago?
 
We debated this last year and there were graphs with turkey kills by year, some were focused on certain counties, etc. My personal property has always had turkeys on it. I have killed 2 off of it each year starting in 2013, except 2014, but that was because I limited out on other places, before I got the chance to shoot one there.

In 2013 I had 11 jakes running around together. I killed 1 because I don't like odd numbers :D. In 2015 I had 4 jakes running around. Now I don't know how many of the 10 from 2013, and how many from the 4 in 2015 made it, but I do know that this year towards the end of deer season, I had 9 toms regularly on my property and about 19 hens. I knew they would bust up, but it has been good so far. I have heard gobbling on every hunt except 1 this year. I have hunted my property, my brothers in Wilson County, and Priest. The one time I didn't hear gobbling was on my place and they were just quiet, but they were there, because I saw them, they just wouldn't play that day.

The one thing I did notice and it bothers me, is last year, I know there were 2 toms with 9 hens. Odds are some got bred. You know how many poults I saw? 0. I personally think that nest predation is horrible, due to hunters being focused on deer and putting feed out for the deer, which draws in coons, possums, and then other predators looking for them. This just makes life harder on the hens, to lay the eggs, sit on the nest and actually get them to hatch before the eggs or they get eaten. Then if they do get some to hatch, and there are foxes, and yotes in the area, the poults become targets for them.

I personally believe on private land at least that anything that raids a nest should be open year round no limit. Some of the animals that do this are open year round, but some aren't.
 
Anybody ever considered what impact the massive influx of new hunters recently might be having? Combine that with all the previously mentioned threats and it could have a huge impact.

If Twra had done any of this wisely they would've separated out turkey licenses to track hunter numbers.
 
As far as baiting, just remember the baited area and 250 yard radius rule.

All in all, none of us will ever agree until most of the state is experiencing exactly what southern middle is, and continues to have. A Problem! Until it reaches you and your hunting grounds, do you really care? Of course not. As long as you ain't seeing the problem, it must not be a problem at all. Managing turkey to a social carrying capacity should be adopted by NWTF and every other state. TN is leading the way!
 
deerchaser007":3s6o3iq5 said:
As far as baiting, just remember the baited area and 250 yard radius rule.

All in all, none of us will ever agree until most of the state is experiencing exactly what southern middle is, and continues to have. A Problem! Until it reaches you and your hunting grounds, do you really care? Of course not. As long as you ain't seeing the problem, it must not be a problem at all.

Man I feel like this is spot on. I hear people not from my area say there are turkeys there you just don't know how to find them, or yall must have killed them out, or they act like your an idiot.

I have seen it in person it is bad. If the season was closed in southern Lawrence County it would get better but it absolutely will not get any better here if the limit is 4 or 1.

I knew of a decent flock this year on about 10,000 acres of land. That flock consisted of 2 toms and a few hens, IMO that's a decent flock to get started with. This property USE to hold 15-20 toms and numerous hens.

Well guess what that starter flock was killed out opening morning the 2 toms were shot off the limb opening morning. So we're just stuck at 0 for another year just like the last 10.
 
Anyone think nesting success could improve if turkey season opened a week later?

I may be mistaken, but I believe one of the reasons given for opening the annual turkey season later on many WMA's (later than the "statewide" opener) has been "to improve nesting success". Note how many WMA's have their first quota hunts a week or two later than the statewide season opens.

This might be part of why KY opens their turkey season 2 weeks later than TN as well?

Perhaps we kill off too many Toms before they're finished breeding, then maybe there's not enough to insure fertilized eggs when hens have to re-nest following their first nest being broken up by egg-eating predators?
 
TheLBLman":sd0lm292 said:
Can anyone tell me what year TN went to a statewide 4-bird spring limit?

Can anyone tell me what year TN went to a statewide 3-bird spring limit (from the prior 2-bird limit)?

Personally, I experienced overall better turkey hunting back when we had a 2-bird limit, but maybe that was just happenstance having more to do with other factors than the turkey limit. I'm attempting to analyze some of those factors, and not just assume it's all about the spring turkey limits.

Year to year, it seems to be a crap shoot, as some years I seem very lucky, while turkey hunting friends seem very unlucky; then other years (like this one so far), I seem very unlucky, while other friends are having a good season, even in the same or nearby areas. A couple friends even limited out with 8 birds during the first 8 days. Other friends believe that couple who killed the 8 essentially killed too many, ruining the hunting for the rest of us on a 3,000-plus-acre tract. So far, this has been one of the worst turkey seasons for me in a long time. I've heard the least gobbling, perhaps ever, relative to the days (and those dates) I've spent hunting. Never mind, I'm absolutely positive there are more turkeys in most of the areas I've been hunting than last year, and I believe more last year than the year prior.

Anyone else finding "feast or famine" on the quality of their turkey hunts, year to year, even counter to there being more turkeys?

When I say "feast or famine", not talking just about "kills", but as much about what is heard and seen.
So far this season, I have not heard much, not seen much, never mind observations immediately pre-season indicated plenty of turkeys, and I've even seen proof of them when I wasn't hunting (from both trail cam pics and direct observation), including 3 longbeards in the immediate area where my two buddies killed their 8 AFTER they quit hunting.

Again, in most of the areas I've been hunting, there appears to be more turkeys this spring than last year, and more last year than the prior year. Never mind, the first week of the 2014 season was one of my best ever, when I and a hunting partner not only together killed 7 longbeards in less than a week, but saw and heard an incredible amount of gobbling and strutting. Basically just the opposite the first couple weeks of this year, and with that same hunting partner, neither of us has killed even a single bird. We have passed up several jakes, and I've chosen not to shoot on a couple longbeards I probably could have killed, but didn't get a good head shot.

Would we be better off with a lower spring limit, or might I just be getting overly influenced by my emotions?
Need to lower the limit imo. 12 years ago it was turkey hunting over crappie fishing as it was turkey gobbling everywhere in the mornings. Last several years it's fishing cause I haven't heard a bird gobble in years at the farm. 12 years ago it was nothing to see 10- 20 birds strutting in 3 fields with 30-50 hens. I've seen 1 bird strutting this year with 1 hen. No sign of birds on my place and they used to dominate trail cam pics. I can recall birds killed by cars on portions of 840 and I haven't seen the first one in a few years.
 
TheLBLman":3m1m3gn2 said:
Anyone think nesting success could improve if turkey season opened a week later?

I may be mistaken, but I believe one of the reasons given for opening the annual turkey season later on many WMA's (later than the "statewide" opener) has been "to improve nesting success". Note how many WMA's have their first quota hunts a week or two later than the statewide season opens.

This might be part of why KY opens their turkey season 2 weeks later than TN as well?

Perhaps we kill off too many Toms before they're finished breeding, then maybe there's not enough to insure fertilized eggs when hens have to re-nest following their first nest being broken up by egg-eating predators?

I've wondered if that could be an option. So many gobblers get killed opening weekend there may not be enough to finish breeding.

I say, make tennessee turkey season in zones, with different limits and seasons

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Rockhound":1iwugqj5 said:
deerchaser007":1iwugqj5 said:
As far as baiting, just remember the baited area and 250 yard radius rule.

All in all, none of us will ever agree until most of the state is experiencing exactly what southern middle is, and continues to have. A Problem! Until it reaches you and your hunting grounds, do you really care? Of course not. As long as you ain't seeing the problem, it must not be a problem at all.

Man I feel like this is spot on. I hear people not from my area say there are turkeys there you just don't know how to find them, or yall must have killed them out, or they act like your an idiot.

I have seen it in person it is bad. If the season was closed in southern Lawrence County it would get better but it absolutely will not get any better here if the limit is 4 or 1.

I knew of a decent flock this year on about 10,000 acres of land. That flock consisted of 2 toms and a few hens, IMO that's a decent flock to get started with. This property USE to hold 15-20 toms and numerous hens.

Well guess what that starter flock was killed out opening morning the 2 toms were shot off the limb opening morning. So we're just stuck at 0 for another year just like the last 10.

This is correct. Rockhound and I have agreed for several years hear on tn deer that something is going on in southern middle tn with Lawrence County being the worse, but Giles, wayne, and Lincoln are falling as well.
90% of the birds in Giles and Lawrence County are killed on the northern half, and I'd even say that's declining.



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Two-three years ago, I talked to a guy about that meeting they held in Lawrence County about the decline. He didn't go, but he thought everyone was idiots because there was no turkey decline, they just move alot and don't gobble.
He called me at the beginning of the season wanting the season shut down.


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There will nothing be done until the whole state notices something

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LBL...I understand that the changes in limits and Fall hunting were done years ago. I was simply stating that "in my opinion" there has been a steady decline in numbers since then leading up to where we stand now. I'm sure there are other factors in the mix also but I think these 2 things have made the major impact.
 
I'm getting depressed at the lack of turkeys on my personal land this year. We have been in a steady decline in the area for several years now but now it's just not good at all. I'm really wondering if I should have even taken the 1 I killed on my place. There used to be at least 6-8 every year just on it. Now the few gobblers left around will get targeted heavily I'm sure, gobblers are just susceptible to harvest since they let you know where they are. As the gobblers numbers decline, the hunters numbers pretty well don't and it makes it very tough on the remaining gobblers.


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I can see high limits helping TWRA sell more non-resident licenses, but does it make much difference regarding resident sales? I'm thinking most turkey hunters also hunt deer, and many are simply buying a sportsman or lifetime license regardless?

Another way to look at license sales:

TWRA COULD focus more on producing better quality turkey hunting and more turkeys, even if that meant fewer days to hunt them, and lower bag limits, and ultimately sell more licenses because more people were more excited about going turkey hunting.

At the end of the day, is the real "resource" the population numbers of animals or birds or fish, or is it the overall "quality" of the experience the hunters/fishermen seek most?
 

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