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TWRA seeks input on Changes to seasons

I sat through the whole dog and pony show presentation. It is very obvious from the presentation that their HANDPICKED focus groups have already made the decisions. If they don't get the response they want from the "after the decision" survey for the commoners, I suspect they will change the data like they did in the duck blind debacle.

I have ZERO trust in anything coming from the biological side of TWRA at this point. Even knowing it was a total waste of my time, I did submit a survey with some very directed comments.
 
scn said:
I sat through the whole dog and pony show presentation. It is very obvious from the presentation that their HANDPICKED focus groups have already made the decisions. If they don't get the response they want from the "after the decision" survey for the commoners, I suspect they will change the data like they did in the duck blind debacle.

I have ZERO trust in anything coming from the biological side of TWRA at this point. Even knowing it was a total waste of my time, I did submit a survey with some very directed comments.
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Well, enough said! Same here scn.
 
scn said:
I sat through the whole dog and pony show presentation. It is very obvious from the presentation that their HANDPICKED focus groups have already made the decisions. If they don't get the response they want from the "after the decision" survey for the commoners, I suspect they will change the data like they did in the duck blind debacle.

I have ZERO trust in anything coming from the biological side of TWRA at this point. Even knowing it was a total waste of my time, I did submit a survey with some very directed comments.
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Yep.
 
scn said:
I sat through the whole dog and pony show presentation. It is very obvious from the presentation that their HANDPICKED focus groups have already made the decisions. If they don't get the response they want from the "after the decision" survey for the commoners, I suspect they will change the data like they did in the duck blind debacle.

I have ZERO trust in anything coming from the biological side of TWRA at this point. Even knowing it was a total waste of my time, I did submit a survey with some very directed comments.
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I have spoken to someone who knows the whistleblower James Kelly pretty well professionally. He says the accusations are very legitimate.

All of this together makes me think you are on to something :(
 
When I did the survey last week, it only allowed me to input deer OR turkey. Not both. Turkeys are more important and more susceptible to mismanagement, so I did the turkey side. Never thought to click link again and do deer side.
 
scn said:
It is very obvious from the presentation that their HANDPICKED focus groups have already made the decisions.
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I also felt that way I was completing this "survey".

Really wasn't much of a "survey" so much as it appeared an opportunity to provide some type "feedback" for what the control freaks and their yes-men have already decided.

In theory, micro-management may sound good, but in reality they need to focus more on statewide uniformity and simplifying regulations. We could have a 1-buck or 1-bird annual limit in each of TN's 95 counties, which would ultimately punish the honest hunters while rewarding the dishonest who claim to have killed multiple bucks & birds, each in a different county, when all were killed behind their homes over a feeder.

Most rules & laws are only as good as their enforcements, and TWRA has been poorly enforcing most now for years.

And I don't mean to be complaining about the rank & file county wildlife officers, as they are tasked with impossible. Heck, it's near impossible for the officers themselves to even keep up with all the rules & regs they're tasked with enforcing. One (or two) officer per county simply cannot do it, and there is no funding to significantly change this.
 
TheLBLman said:
I also felt that way I was completing this "survey".

Really wasn't much of a "survey" so much as it appeared an opportunity to provide some type "feedback" for what the control freaks and their yes-men have already decided.

In theory, micro-management may sound good, but in reality they need to focus more on statewide uniformity and simplifying regulations. We could have a 1-buck or 1-bird annual limit in each of TN's 95 counties, which would ultimately punish the honest hunters while rewarding the dishonest who claim to have killed multiple bucks & birds, each in a different county, when all were killed behind their homes over a feeder.

Most rules & laws are only as good as their enforcements, and TWRA has been poorly enforcing most now for years.

And I don't mean to be complaining about the rank & file county wildlife officers, as they are tasked with impossible. Heck, it's near impossible for the officers themselves to even keep up with all the rules & regs they're tasked with enforcing. One (or two) officer per county simply cannot do it, and there is no funding to significantly change this.
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I honestly didn't have a problem with most of what seems to be already pre-destined.

The Earn-A-Buck in "CWD" counties really just kills any momentum these counties have of producing consistent mature bucks.

And if it turns out the CWD zones are a farce, that will far outweigh any of the good that is done by the micromanagement.
 
TheLBLman said:
I also felt that way I was completing this "survey".

Really wasn't much of a "survey" so much as it appeared an opportunity to provide some type "feedback" for what the control freaks and their yes-men have already decided.

In theory, micro-management may sound good, but in reality they need to focus more on statewide uniformity and simplifying regulations. We could have a 1-buck or 1-bird annual limit in each of TN's 95 counties, which would ultimately punish the honest hunters while rewarding the dishonest who claim to have killed multiple bucks & birds, each in a different county, when all were killed behind their homes over a feeder.

Most rules & laws are only as good as their enforcements, and TWRA has been poorly enforcing most now for years.

And I don't mean to be complaining about the rank & file county wildlife officers, as they are tasked with impossible. Heck, it's near impossible for the officers themselves to even keep up with all the rules & regs they're tasked with enforcing. One (or two) officer per county simply cannot do it, and there is no funding to significantly change this.
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If they are going to get down to this level of micro-management, they need to rapidly improve the app experience, and allow a hunter to select a county to see what the current regulations are without having to study a 150 page rulebook manifesto.

I run into people all the time who have no idea what the actual regs state.
 
DeerCamp said:
The Earn-A-Buck in "CWD" counties really just kills any momentum these counties have of producing consistent mature bucks.
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I'm not sure about that one. I haven't noticed any difference and I'm not sure I know anybody that's actually taken advantage of it and killed additional bucks. The buck:doe harvest ratio in Henderson Co hasn't changed meaningfully since before the additional bucks could be earned or even the three buck limit.

Just like the three does/day I think the harm is in the hurt feelings, not in the deer herd.
 
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BSK said:
If you want to kill a deer herd out of existence, Earn-A-Buck is the fastest way to do it. I've seen the results on 20,000 to 30,000-acre properties and it was a quick decimation of the total deer population.
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I think it's important to distinguish the CWD earn a buck Deer Camp is talking about and the WMA earn a buck by killing a doe first.
 

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