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Would you shoot this on public or let him grow?

Generally speaking, my age/antler standards that I impose on myself do not change, regardless of public/private. I'd MUCH RATHER someone else kill him and be ecstatic with him, than you or I kill him just because we're worried someone else might. If you're happy with him, blast away. Good luck this season!
Our thoughts are near exact.
Especially the highlighted part.

For those truly wanting something better,
especially when it comes up to letting the best young stock survive,
it's your choice whether you choose to be part of the solution,
or just part of the same issue you complain about other hunters.

The choice was made easier for me when I began focusing more on age than antlers.
Bucks don't approach most their antler potential until they're 4 1/2 or older.
 
Pass. Regardless of where I'm hunting. But yal shoot what makes you happy. With that said that deer has some crazy potential. Also I have seen a lot of deer at 2.5 and 3.5 that should have had potential and never did. That's the "risk" you take passing deer. Even on private ground I've passed small deer smaller then that, that jump a fence and get shot. It is what it is. But you can't kill big deer by shooting good deer. For some that means you may eat a tag some years. But at the end of the day I'm not hunting that deer so it doesn't matter what I would or wouldn't do, so I wasted my time typing this.
 
Generally speaking, my age/antler standards that I impose on myself do not change, regardless of public/private. I'd MUCH RATHER someone else kill him and be ecstatic with him, than you or I kill him just because we're worried someone else might. If you're happy with him, blast away. Good luck this season!

My sentiments exactly. I remember the feeling and excitement I got when I killed a nice buck. It's a wonderful feeling. Knowing another hunter got to experience that feeling would give me more joy than killing the buck myself.

Either the buck does it for you in his current state or he doesn't. If he does and you'll feel excited killing him, then do it. But if you're on the fence uncertain then I can tell you from experience your heart isn't in it and killing him will give you more regret than joy. Whatever you kill be sure and be happy.
 
Generally speaking, my age/antler standards that I impose on myself do not change, regardless of public/private. I'd MUCH RATHER someone else kill him and be ecstatic with him, than you or I kill him just because we're worried someone else might. If you're happy with him, blast away. Good luck this season!

Perfectly said, Andy!
 
Thanks for all the comment guys. I'm new to TN and trying to get a feel for whitetails and hunting culture out here. I'm also fairly new to whitetail hunting - grew up in Chicago and had no mentors to take me out, so I appreciate the insight and perspective from people who have been at it longer than me. Sitting at my computer now I like to think I would give him another year to see what he can be, but may not be able to exercise this same level of restraint in the field :) Good luck to everyone this season. It's coming up!!!!!
 
I'm also fairly new to whitetail hunting

I promise you nobody with a wall full of giants doesn't also have a pile of younger buck racks that paved the way for those big ones. We all cut our teeth on younger bucks because that's what we could kill. We were young &/or inexperienced. The bucks were young & inexperienced. As we grew & learned & gained experience & put a few racks under our belts, the bucks we hunted paralleled us. I'm well into the latter half of my hunting journey now and enjoy hunting the old fart bucks that have been there done that & still getting after it, because that's the stage of life & hunting that I'm also in. I guess you could say I hunt what I relate to. And always have. If I were to guess, I'd say that has been the relationship between hunters and deer for as long as we've been hunting them. It's primal, built in, baked in to the cake.

So I say if you're a newer hunter still very much learning, then challenge yourself to see if you CAN kill that buck. It'll be harder than you think but you'll gain a wealth of knowledge as you try. You've got the rest of your life to slow down & focus on the old ones. You'll be there soon enough. But don't skip hunting these young ones. They're the ones that teach you how to hunt the old ones. The tip of a pyramid is nothing without the base layers leading up to it.
 
There are many differences between hunting private vs. public lands, particularly with such items as comfortable permanent stands vs. not; hunting with less potential to be "disturbed" by another hunter; the use of cell cams vs. not, etc., etc., etc.

But let's just focus mainly on the odds of a 2 1/2 to 3 1/2-yr-old above-average antlered buck surviving until the next year's hunting season.

. . . . . if that deer is on public he won't see the end of the season imo.
Interestingly, I've found many perceptions about public vs private lands in TN to be more like ole wives' tales than reality. Sure, many public lands, just like many private lands, are heavily hunted, and few people will give a pass to a top-end 2 1/2-yr-old buck.

But, those average public land hunters may also be less inclined to encounter any 2 1/2 or older buck? On average, are they as experienced with hunting success as most private land deer hunters? I've found many public land hunters will immediately shoot the first antler buck encountered, which is most often a 1 1/2-yr-old buck. Those 2 1/2's & older bucks tend to come along behind the younger bucks, and never seen by the hunter who kill the 1st buck they see.

By the way, I cannot tell much about this buck's age just from that summertime pic, but 2 1/2 just happens to be my "guess". But can tell you, if you don't give a pass to most 2 1/2 & 3 1/2-yr-old bucks, you'll almost never ever see a 4 1/2 yr-old buck while you're hunting, in large part because older bucks tend to follow along behind younger bucks. But also because you're killing them before they can live to become 4 1/2.

I've found the odds of a top-end 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 surviving another year are often higher on many public lands than many private lands.

There are different dynamics, often different reasons, but still often this way. On many private lands, especially hunting leases & hunt clubs, high-grading of the best antlered 2 1/2 & 3 1/2-yr-old bucks is often far worse than on on most public hunting lands.

Truth is, especially when it comes to poaching, such as killing deer during archery with a rifle, killing deer with a rifle a day or two before the season opens, illegal baiting, you'll find more of this on most private lands than public lands. What's more, it's often more targeted at those high-end 2 1/2 & 3 1/2 yr-old bucks, often habitually feeding at someone's backyard feeder, making it an easy shot from the back porch.

Many public lands are comprised of thousands of contiguous acres. Most private lands are smaller acreage. Commonly, you'll have a 200-acre tract, surrounded by many 1 to 5-acre tracts, many of which have backyard feeders, and the home occupants deer hunt right behind their homes on their 5 acres, or less.

So when you account in all those people living & hunting inside a typical 500-acre private lands area, you may have more deer "hunting" on many private lands than many public lands.

And, I'm seeing far more illegal deer poaching on private lands than public lands, and this poaching is a big part of the deer annual "harvest" especially regarding above-average bucks.
 
I promise you nobody with a wall full of giants doesn't also have a pile of younger buck racks that paved the way for those big ones. We all cut our teeth on younger bucks because that's what we could kill. We were young &/or inexperienced. The bucks were young & inexperienced. As we grew & learned & gained experience & put a few racks under our belts, the bucks we hunted paralleled us. I'm well into the latter half of my hunting journey now and enjoy hunting the old fart bucks that have been there done that & still getting after it, because that's the stage of life & hunting that I'm also in. I guess you could say I hunt what I relate to. And always have. If I were to guess, I'd say that has been the relationship between hunters and deer for as long as we've been hunting them. It's primal, built in, baked in to the cake.

So I say if you're a newer hunter still very much learning, then challenge yourself to see if you CAN kill that buck. It'll be harder than you think but you'll gain a wealth of knowledge as you try. You've got the rest of your life to slow down & focus on the old ones. You'll be there soon enough. But don't skip hunting these young ones. They're the ones that teach you how to hunt the old ones. The tip of a pyramid is nothing without the base layers leading up to it.
Love it. Thanks so much for the advice. Exactly what I was searching for. Hope you tag your oldest-fart-buck yet this season.
 
So I say if you're a newer hunter still very much learning, then challenge yourself to see if you CAN kill that buck.
I will also say that, but add, assuming you've never killed an older, larger antlered buck than that one.
If you have, why kill off the best stock?

And if the answer is venison for the table, why not take a doe, or simply the 1st buck you encounter, rather than target this specific one?
 
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I promise you nobody with a wall full of giants doesn't also have a pile of younger buck racks that paved the way for those big ones. We all cut our teeth on younger bucks because that's what we could kill. We were young &/or inexperienced. The bucks were young & inexperienced. As we grew & learned & gained experience & put a few racks under our belts, the bucks we hunted paralleled us. I'm well into the latter half of my hunting journey now and enjoy hunting the old fart bucks that have been there done that & still getting after it, because that's the stage of life & hunting that I'm also in. I guess you could say I hunt what I relate to. And always have. If I were to guess, I'd say that has been the relationship between hunters and deer for as long as we've been hunting them. It's primal, built in, baked in to the cake.

So I say if you're a newer hunter still very much learning, then challenge yourself to see if you CAN kill that buck. It'll be harder than you think but you'll gain a wealth of knowledge as you try. You've got the rest of your life to slow down & focus on the old ones. You'll be there soon enough. But don't skip hunting these young ones. They're the ones that teach you how to hunt the old ones. The tip of a pyramid is nothing without the base layers leading up to it.
This is 100 percent correct.
 

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