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Crossing the Campbell County Line . . . . .

Roost 1":3mmqer4j said:
Hunting pressure IS NOT equal, not even close..
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Then explain the similarity in harvest numbers. Same to start with, same to end with. This would indicate TN is more selective since they have the longer season and could shoot more.
 
AXL78":2fhhq36g said:
This would indicate TN is more selective since they have the longer season and could shoot more.
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IF this is the case, then TN should have MORE hunter antler high-grading by being more "selective"?

This could equate to those Campbell County hunters killing a lot more "top-end" yearlings and 2 1/2's with relatively large antlers for their age classes. THAT could equate to there then being far fewer "larger" antlered older bucks in Campbell?
 
TheLBLman":xvmmru5y said:
AT Hiker":xvmmru5y said:
Just about everything seems to be covered with one exception, baiting. Its legal in KY . . . . .
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Good catch! That is something of genuine difference between these two counties.
I really don't have much idea as to how this might effect that harvest disparity between these two counties.
Shooting deer over bait certainly can make it easier to kill younger deer, but that's not necessarily the case with older deer.
It also wouldn't surprise me if there's not almost as much illegal baiting happening in Campbell County as legal baiting happening in Whitley.

I don't know if this is still the case, but B&C in the past did not allow bucks killed over bait to be entered into their record book. No doubt, some people killed bucks over bait and lied on the avadavat.
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If we are bringing out assumptions of breaking the law on the TN side, if Campbell were as capable of growing booners as it's KY counterpart, a few would show by being killed "pretty late in the evening."
 
TheLBLman":33g30xt4 said:
AXL78":33g30xt4 said:
This would indicate TN is more selective since they have the longer season and could shoot more.
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IF this is the case, then TN should have MORE hunter antler high-grading by being more "selective"?
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That COULD be true. lol

But it shouldn't keep em out of the books.
 
AXL78":n3byt1f1 said:
But it shouldn't keep em out of the books.
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Yes, it should keep em out of the books.

If we have a handful of top-end 2 1/2-yr-old bucks in each county, but that TN county kills every one of them, that will keep every one of them "out of the books".

By contrast, if more of those top-end 2 1/2's are surviving in KY, that and that alone equates to relatively significantly more "top-end" bucks surviving to maturity (as it is only those "top-end" bucks that EVER get into this "book").

It's kinda like aging wine. You can select the very best grapes to potentially produce the very best wine, but . . . .
If you "take" it (or drink it) before it's time, you'll just have grape juice.
 
Roost 1":1bcg5zwe said:
The intense hunting pressure in ky lasts 9 days in zone 4 Whitley County and although maybe not so intense in Campbell Co it's about 60 days..... Hunter harvest and hunter pressure is not the same...
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Hunter harvest according to the records is in fact the same, or so close I am referring to it as the same. I don't want to nickel and dime.

Pressure, well, I don't see that preventing someone from killing one every now and then provided they do exist. That is another argument, whether or not hunters in TN are as capable of killing them as compared to their KY counterparts.
 
TheLBLman":vk02pjdl said:
AXL78":vk02pjdl said:
But it shouldn't keep em out of the books.
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Yes, it should keep em out of the books.
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No, not completely. It goes on in KY. They kill a lot of their best 2.5 and 3.5. Of the 800 some odd bucks, not all of those are top end prime bucks. Lots of representatives from all over the board there as well. Just like TN, every one of their 800 some odd bucks is not a top end 1.5, 2.5, and 3.5. That is painting such a skewed picture it is approaching fantasy.
 
Refer to SCN post, it's not unreasonable to think a deer can avoid pressure for 9 days especially in terrain such as we are speaking of but to avoid pressure for 60 days would be hard to do. My point is that deer in KY are capable of living longer with less stress which over time should lead to bigger antler deer..
I really am enjoying this discussion but honestly I believe the answer is pretty cut n dried..
 
Well let's think for a minute of those 800 killed in KY, those were made up of all age classes but it also includes any buck with visible antler, excluding buttons. Of the 800 killed in TN does include all antlered bucks or just those with 3" or longer horns? My guess is that in all reality many more bucks are killed in TN each year than what these numbers we speak of represent.. Makes a huge impact over say 30yrs...
 
Roost 1":dma2msmk said:
Refer to SCN post, it's not unreasonable to think a deer can avoid pressure for 9 days especially in terrain such as we are speaking of but to avoid pressure for 60 days would be hard to do. My point is that deer in KY are capable of living longer with less stress which over time should lead to bigger antler deer..
I really am enjoying this discussion but honestly I believe the answer is pretty cut n dried..
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Using this analogy, then TN should have more entries in the books. Because if they existed in Campbell, TN, someone would get them, and whether or not the same amount of deer are in the age class to produce such a rack could be debatable, it should not be skewed 1:15, or be so drastically skewed by high-grading, which occurs on both sides. To me that's another argument.

A buck of that age, receiving that much pressure, should only have to avoid hunters for around a week either way - during the absolute peak of the rut. No matter whats going on, on either side of the border, they just aren't likely to move during the day except during those times, and this is even in low pressured areas. Now you may feel differently, and that's fine by me. I am enjoying the discussion myself.
 
Roost 1":1tz5njnt said:
Well let's think for a minute of those 800 killed in KY, those were made up of all age classes but it also includes any buck with visible antler, excluding buttons. Of the 800 killed in TN does include all antlered bucks or just those with 3" or longer horns? My guess is that in all reality many more bucks are killed in TN each year than what these numbers we speak of represent.. Makes a huge impact over say 30yrs...
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Roost1, I won't argue with you on all that. That information is probably available and I didn't look it up. I have stated all my presumptions in previous posts. I was of the understanding we were all going on "all things being equal." Now, I realize that some are including soil in those assumptions, my deal is it may should be revisited.
 
AXL78":3i15ymkk said:
I don't want to nickel and dime.
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AXL78,
Please "humor" me for just a moment. :D Let's do some nickel and diming!
I know what I ask may seem to have absolutely nothing to do with deer herd dynamics, but it has as much to do with it as some of your statements.

If I offered to pay you daily for your contributions to TNdeer.com for the next 30 days,
Compensation Package A
$10,000 a day (but again, all ends after 30 days)
- or -
Compensation Package B
One Penny Daily Doubled Daily (again, all ends after 30 days)
i.e. Day 1 = 1 cent; Day 2 = 2 cents; Day 3 = 4 cents; Day 4 = 8 cents, etc., etc.

This is not a "trick" question, just asking which compensation package would you choose? :P
 
Roost 1":1h5qvaob said:
What really amazes me is that there have been 15 B&C bucks killed in WHITLEY COUNTY..... :tu: :tu:
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I also found that quite amazing.
Even more amazing, it's not unique to just Whitley County, as most of those East KY Appalachian counties seem to be producing high numbers of B&C bucks.

The numbers I posted were believe to be 170 net or better B&C bucks.
 

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