Radar said:
I will soon...I don't have a doubt in my mind. I will post pics hopefully in 3 weeks!
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I will soon...I don't have a doubt in my mind. I will post pics hopefully in 3 weeks!
So its just a natural progression us young guys have to go through... But seriously are any of your bows dual or binary cam bows?? Those are considered speed cams ,its just a shorter brace makes bows even faster because of a longer power stroke....Radar said:
stik
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Radar said:
my zmax hunting rig was THE speed bow in mathews line-up in 1997. i would have to look to see how many i have killed with it.
stik said:
2 that I know of. One was all of 65-70 lbs and ran about 100 yds or so, right? The other one ran up and down the mountainside, round and round and finally piled up about 60 yds from where she was shot. But, she probably ran over 150 yds total before falling over. Those are the 2 that I am aware of.
That said, was KE the secret to success in that speed bow?
Smoke
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Speed or brace height wont matter if you dont take the time to practice and learn what you are doing right or wrong. Ive got a MR6 and it will shoot better than any bow ive ever had regardless of their brace height or speed.
Put it this way...Knothead is the casual archer lol! Same guy that steps to the tee with persimmon woods lol!
UTGrad said:
Casual archer, huh? You wanna compare the number of archery kills?
And to equate hunting with a Reezen to golfing with persimmon woods, well, that's just a lack of knowledge of the definition of an analagy. That's not even close, my friend. :crazy:
(Oh, and I think I can hit a tree rat with a 12 ga, one that is clinging perfectly still on the side of an oak tree at 20 yds away). Wanna go there?
Maybe you should leave the "primitive weapon" at home ( you know.........the ones that casual hunters use) and squirrel hunt with your speed bow, dude!Some of us bowhunt with selfbows, all homemade. Give that a try sometime...UTGrad said:
Radar
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What I'm getting at are those guys who go for the most fps in a bow , and will go anal if a bow doesn't produce their desired IBO speed , regardless of how accurate that bow is in their hands .
I'm trying to provoke a little thought about what really matters in a bow setup . It's not about fps , it's about accuracy in your hands . Forget the chrono and choose a bow that is most accurate in your hands . I will take the most accurate , quiet setup into the woods with me every time . Some bows are more inherently accurate , some not . Speed shouldn't be the ultimate deciding factor when choosing the best setup .
To me it's not about the bow that produces the best IBO speed that goes into the woods , it's the bow I shoot best with .
I'm trying to provoke a little thought about what really matters in a bow setup . It's not about fps , it's about accuracy in your hands . Forget the chrono and choose a bow that is most accurate in your hands . I will take the most accurate , quiet setup into the woods with me every time . Some bows are more inherently accurate , some not . Speed shouldn't be the ultimate deciding factor when choosing the best setup .
To me it's not about the bow that produces the best IBO speed that goes into the woods , it's the bow I shoot best with .
Great post radar!! I agreeRadar said:
Headhunter
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I have killed over 100 deer with a bow. I truly don't know how many, close to 130 is all can figure out. I am all about SPEED. I work with my setup to get it as fast as it can be while at the same time being accurate and quiet, one reason I still shoot a 500 gr arrow setup (I shot an 82 lb draw bow at 50 percent letoff for 12 years, nothing macho about it, I never had any problems with it, and if you are in good enough shape, nothing wrong with it) is to help my bow be quieter and I get something over 270 fps. One thing to remember is if you can pull 60 lbs then buy a bow that maxes at 60 lbs meaning whatever you can comfortably pull, then buy a bow that maxes at close to that pull weight. From my experience bows shoot better closer to being maxed out than being letoff.
I do think to many worry about IBO (when setup for hunting most probably will never get) and do not pay attention to other things that are more important, like sharp broadheads, arrows in good condition, keeping the strings and cables waxed and what I think is as important as accuracy, practicing during the season.
I practice way more during the season than I do before. I know so many who practice everyday until the season starts and then do not shoot except when they shoot at a deer. I shoot a few times just about everyday of the season and whenever I practice, I never shoot field points, broadheads only. Nice thing about the blob archery target, I can shoot all the times I want into it with broadheads.
I do think to many worry about IBO (when setup for hunting most probably will never get) and do not pay attention to other things that are more important, like sharp broadheads, arrows in good condition, keeping the strings and cables waxed and what I think is as important as accuracy, practicing during the season.
I practice way more during the season than I do before. I know so many who practice everyday until the season starts and then do not shoot except when they shoot at a deer. I shoot a few times just about everyday of the season and whenever I practice, I never shoot field points, broadheads only. Nice thing about the blob archery target, I can shoot all the times I want into it with broadheads.
Really good advice , shooting during season . I always would shoot one arrow every morning from the deck just to simulate moment of truth !!!Headhunter said:
Radar
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Headhunter said:
I agree , but thats not what I'm talking about . If you are shooting a 500 gr. arrow , your concern isn't really about obtaining the most fps from a bow , it's about obtaining the most accuracy while maintaining a quiet , efficient shooting bow . Most 70 lb. bows these days are very efficient and will achieve similar results at less draw weight . I also work out , and can also draw a significant amount of weight , but at 50 years old my shoulders get too sore . I pulled my right shoulder out of socket years ago while drawing 85 lbs on a cold Mi. December hunt . I now choose a bow weight that I can draw back easily from any position .
I have killed deer with every bow I have owned over the past 31 seasons and there are a few bows I wish I would have kept around because they were so accurate .
I can identify with everything you are saying through experience . What I'm getting at are those who let the chrono decide what bow setup to choose , regardless of accuracy .
A chronograph is an important part of tuning. My MR6 was shooting 15 fps slower than was to be expected. It turned out my bow had the wrong modules. I was about to return the bow but with some help on the Mathews forum I was able to figure it out. Yes, if I spend almost $1K on a bow and it is shooting much slower than expected, I am disappointed.
TNDeerGuy
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UTGrad said:
There I fixed it for ya UTGrad!
TNDeerGuy said:UTGrad said:
There I fixed it for ya UTGrad!
You think top archers don't use a chronograph?
Headhunter
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If you want to talk about energy my friend is shooting a 600 gr arrow setup over 260 fps and he can shoot. I personally know of no one who shoots as well as he does. He piles them up, whether with his target bow (scope, low draw weight, long stabilizer, etc.) or his hunting bow (70 lb, no scope, hunting stabilizer, etc.) and I mean he piles them up in the target.
Headhunter said:
Nice!!
TNDeerGuy
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UTGrad said:TNDeerGuy said:UTGrad said:
There I fixed it for ya UTGrad!
You think top archers don't use a chronograph?
Sure they do....for 3D and indoor target shooting! I personally know some World Champions and I will tell you that accuracy and proper arrow flight is what they worry about when preparing for hunting, not how fast their equipment is or is not and even during 3D they aren't that worried because they almost always have to shoot speeds under what their bows are often capable of shooting--they use chronos to make sure they stay under the speeds of their classes. Actually most do not shoot max poundage, even when hunting--they shoot what is comfortable to them and where they can pull the bow back smoothly from difficult positions if need be. Have you tried to pull that Monster back in a squatting position while bending over while packed up with heavy clothing in your treestand and not having to move,or sway, the bow to get a smooth draw and then be dead-on accurate with it yet?
You certainly have the right to use whatever equipment you want to, but in the great big scheme of things the difference of 15-20 fps is minimal unless you going to be shooting for distance and that is the point everyone on here that has years more experience than yourself is trying make. Native Americans and indigenous people all throughout history have killed more animals with alot less speed using outdated equipment than any of us currently use, they made up for that difference with accuracy.
I am saying a chronograph is a part of tuning, not saying it is the most important part of tuning. A chronograph is especially useful when using an archery software program like On Target 2, which a lot of guys use.
