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It's not about speed

UTGrad said:
Radar said:
I lock in a single pin moveable pin for 25 and I'm good to 35 yards with a little hold over . 95% of my shots are less than 30 yards though . I'd rather rely on my woodsmanship skills to get close for a slam dunk shot than risk a long shot. :)

I lock mine to 25 as well. You had mentioned this on a post a couple seasons ago and that is what I have done since.

Seems to work well for most of my shots in the woods .
 
I really like my single pin. Like Radar said I keep it locked at 25. Last season I killed 4 deer with my bow and never once had to think twice, simply put the pin on target and release. 2 weeks!!
 
Radar said:
I lock in a single pin moveable pin for 25 and I'm good to 35 yards with a little hold over . 95% of my shots are less than 30 yards though . I'd rather rely on my woodsmanship skills to get close for a slam dunk shot than risk a long shot. :)

I will say if the buck of a lifetime gave me a shot at 35-40 yards and I had a clear shot...the speed will help :D I'm confident I can make the shot.
 
I'll bet that many many young beginners that have been influenced to the speed rocks side, with the harshness of today's draw cycles, will probably have a fairly short life in archery. Ive been shooting 30 years and have shoulder pain now, even shot super soft cams for years. I have no choice but to shoot low poundage now. But if I did I wouldn't change. I've always liked the heavy arrow for many reasons but turkey hunting in hard wind made me like them even more. Just something for you young ones to think about.
 
pjridge said:
I'll bet that many many young beginners that have been influenced to the speed rocks side, with the harshness of today's draw cycles, will probably have a fairly short life in archery. Ive been shooting 30 years and have shoulder pain now, even shot super soft cams for years. I have no choice but to shoot low poundage now. But if I did I wouldn't change. I've always liked the heavy arrow for many reasons but turkey hunting in hard wind made me like them even more. Just something for you young ones to think about.
Normally i would agree but i have a high country speed pro x11 and this bow draws smoother and holds better than any single cam mathews i have ever owned(lx and z7 extreme) also @ 71# it draws easier and feels like 60 lbs with my extreme!! The invasion i have is also as smooth as the z7 but doesnt hardly pull as easy... hands down the x11 is the smoothest. You would have to draw this bow to understand what im talking about. I actually called the guy to make sure he cchecked the draw weight because it felt like it was low 60's. the two cam bows today are alot better than years past!!
 
Yep I agree with what you say about smooth. but I was referring to soft. There is a difference IMO. Most consider a smooth draw with today's bows to have a draw force curve that starts out steep, climbing to the apex and continuing with the apex for a very high percentage of the cycle then gently drops off the other side into the valley. That compared to a draw cycle that also follows the apex the biggest part of the cycle but toward the end climbs a second apex and suddenly drops into the valley. Those two examples are the vast majority of draw cycles for the last 7 or 8 years with a few tweaks here and there to make them feel a little better.
Back in 1980 when I started bowhunting and continuing though-out the 80's and into the 90's even though 50% let-off was the norm, the amount of travel in the cycle along the apex was substantially shorter and the climb was much less steep. That is what I consider a soft draw cycle. Hope I explained myself ok.

I had distal tendon surgery back in June. I tore it lifting a heavy oak bar. Think goodness it wasn't my drawing arm. When the surgeon consulted me on various activities of course archery came up. That got some questions out of him. I tried to explain to him my theory on draw cycles affecting the shoulder. He did agree that the longer the arms and especially the shoulders are under the heaviest stress or the longer the distance, it will have more impact. He also said that the shoulder is especially vulnerable because of the moment of the joint and tissue. This is just my theory and don't mean squat. But everyone should do a Google search about archery and shoulder injuries or just go to archerytalk and title search shoulder. I really hate to see anyone who loves archery have develop a injury that keeps them from shooting or hunting from not being informed, especially one that can be prevented. And surgery sux.
 
Radar sorry for hijacking. But I think the two subjects can be connected.
 
pjridge said:
Yep I agree with what you say about smooth. but I was referring to soft. There is a difference IMO. Most consider a smooth draw with today's bows to have a draw force curve that starts out steep, climbing to the apex and continuing with the apex for a very high percentage of the cycle then gently drops off the other side into the valley. That compared to a draw cycle that also follows the apex the biggest part of the cycle but toward the end climbs a second apex and suddenly drops into the valley. Those two examples are the vast majority of draw cycles for the last 7 or 8 years with a few tweaks here and there to make them feel a little better.
Back in 1980 when I started bowhunting and continuing though-out the 80's and into the 90's even though 50% let-off was the norm, the amount of travel in the cycle along the apex was substantially shorter and the climb was much less steep. That is what I consider a soft draw cycle. Hope I explained myself ok.

I had distal tendon surgery back in June. I tore it lifting a heavy oak bar. Think goodness it wasn't my drawing arm. When the surgeon consulted me on various activities of course archery came up. That got some questions out of him. I tried to explain to him my theory on draw cycles affecting the shoulder. He did agree that the longer the arms and especially the shoulders are under the heaviest stress or the longer the distance, it will have more impact. He also said that the shoulder is especially vulnerable because of the moment of the joint and tissue. This is just my theory and don't mean squat. But everyone should do a Google search about archery and shoulder injuries or just go to archerytalk and title search shoulder. I really hate to see anyone who loves archery have develop a injury that keeps them from shooting or hunting from not being informed, especially one that can be prevented. And surgery sux.
Got ya!!!!! I understand!!
 
10-4 to the heavier arrow setup. Since I am shooting the recurve this year, I have a heavy arrow with a 165 grain broadhead. I cannot believe that I have shot low weight broadheads in the past. I can tell a huge difference in the force that the target receives when I shoot a 100g vs the 165g. Remember that force = mass x acceleration. A heavier arrow definitely helps to get a pass through. It is also much quieter and there is less hand shock.

Also, to 20 yards, there is virtually no difference in where my arrow hits the target.
 
I only shoot a 367 grain arrow and have blown right thru every deer I have ever shot and had my arrows go 3 inches in the dirt.
 
W.Seay said:
I only shoot a 367 grain arrow and have blown right thru every deer I have ever shot and had my arrows go 3 inches in the dirt.

My arrow is 364 grains and 27.5" going about 315 fps. I am very impressed with the accuracy of this set up and expect some great results on game.
 
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