Do you think they would show it on the tube if something went wrong? I would think not as it might show what some on here are talking about when mentioning ethical hunting.
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megalomaniac
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My take...
Killing deer the neighbors have named and are feeding and have watched grow up over years creates an uneasy feeling in my gut. Sure its legal.
But I guess Lee has an uneasy feeling in his get after all these years and is now asking the community if his gut is right or not.
If your gut is telling you it's wrong, I wouldn't go against your gut.
If your gut is telling you it's fine... well.. at least there is FB, YT, and a million other social media outlets to give you likes and give you reassurance your gut was right.
As far as hunting 'tame' deer.... my only experience was on Presidents Island 8 or 9 yrs ago. It was a great hunt! I stalked up to within bow range of a couple bucks. They just weren't as wary of human scent as the deer I'm used to hunting. They didn't view humans as a threat. I bet the deer in suburbia are similar. Killing a giant isn't an accomplishment. FINDING and securing access IS.
Killing deer the neighbors have named and are feeding and have watched grow up over years creates an uneasy feeling in my gut. Sure its legal.
But I guess Lee has an uneasy feeling in his get after all these years and is now asking the community if his gut is right or not.
If your gut is telling you it's wrong, I wouldn't go against your gut.
If your gut is telling you it's fine... well.. at least there is FB, YT, and a million other social media outlets to give you likes and give you reassurance your gut was right.
As far as hunting 'tame' deer.... my only experience was on Presidents Island 8 or 9 yrs ago. It was a great hunt! I stalked up to within bow range of a couple bucks. They just weren't as wary of human scent as the deer I'm used to hunting. They didn't view humans as a threat. I bet the deer in suburbia are similar. Killing a giant isn't an accomplishment. FINDING and securing access IS.
killingtime 41
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Question is he kills bucks in the same situation all the time. Why now is he worried about the perception. Well that's because it's potential record. And if it is it will put lots more attention to him. And he's worried about them finding out it was an urban buck. And thinks he will get more dislikes and controversy in a bad way that will taint his career forever. Saying all that he that at least lets you know he recognizes. That killing those deer in the suburbs or in the city is not as respectable. But I say kill it and stand for what you believe. Doesn't mean I believe in it. But I also don't live for views and likes.
bowhunterfanatic
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You always seem to hit the nail on the head. Finding the deer and securing enough access to kill it is the only hard part about what they do 90% of the time.
bowhunterfanatic
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They hunted some awful small lots in some of the videos I watched a few years back. Probably not one acre small but some were easily less than 3. And some of those included house, pool, driveway, etc, so probably less than 1 acre of huntable ground. They told a couple of stories in a podcast I listened to a few weeks back about deer expiring where they didn't have permission to retrieve them a few different times in their early years. A couple of times it lead to fairly heated confrontation. I will give them credit for trying to learn from those mistakes though. The last couple years they said they've spent a lot of time becoming better archers and making sure they quit taking risky shots that could lead to excessively long track jobs. So at least that's something.
killingtime 41
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Boomer Ranger Ron
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I think that there are simply too many urban and suburban deer and that legal hunting including baiting is the best way to trim the herds! We live on a 1/4 acre lot at the beach, 100 yards from the sand. There are deer in the parking lot every day! They spend the nights feasting on all the shrubs, flowers, and plants in people's yards. I've scouted a 7 1/2 acres swamp and counted as many as 18 deer in a single walk! Limes disease which started right here in Connecticut is also on the rise. Ticks are a major problem for everybody who lives here. Check out my videos on YouTube:
batten_down
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Oh....
So all the hate they get is deserved, because something bad could have happened that we never saw before and no one ever heard about?? Am I following this train of thought correctly?
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Yes, I watched a recent video where they had to leap frog getting permission to continue tracking and retrieving a buck several years ago.
Homeowner with a business tie on and his phone on his belt was there when they found it and then dragged it out of the river. They kayaked it out to a ramp.
It's not perfect.
GreeneGriz
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He was killing big deer long before he ever started filming and uploading to YouTube. A deer is a deer and if in areas legal to hunt is as much of a huntable and legal deer as the deer you want to believe are wild that you hunt that do the exact same thing to avoid people they see as threats as the deer he hunts do.
GreeneGriz
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Yep… a bunch of butthurt folks who want to pretend their ethics are superior to someone else's.
GreeneGriz
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I've been watching a huge buck for 2 years that lives most of his time in a fancy neighborhood in the middle of BFE Cocke county Tennessee. I've got permission to hunt 3 of them properties he travels thru back and forth between this fancy neighborhood and the rural farms he feeds in. How is he any less of a legal and ethical deer to hunt than th e deer 2 miles down the road don't occasionally feed thru someone's backyard or field?
If I shoot him and someone tells me I'm what's wrong with hunting to my face, they better have their dental plan current and paid.
If I shoot him and someone tells me I'm what's wrong with hunting to my face, they better have their dental plan current and paid.
bowhunterfanatic
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Not entirely correct. He was killing solid deer before YT but they didn't really start killing the giants until filming started.
And if you think the deer he is hunting are just as wild as a deer in the middle of let's say LBL, I've got some oceanfront property to sell you. Do they know they're being hunted? Sure they do. But they can't hide can't like a deer in a normal hunting scenario would.
Hridge
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I personally would not shoot it. That deer is urbanized and I'm sure lots of hunters love looking at it on their way to work. I live next to a huge park in Nashville and have whoppers in my yard all the time. Years ago I shot one and it died in my neighbors yard. She was elderly and I actually gave her venison every now and then. She had no issues with hunters. it actually upset her because she loved watching the deer every morning. She was so nice about it and asked me kindly to let the neighborhood deer be if possible. I literally walked within 30 yards of the deer and stuck it with my bow. Felt no joy as I was sending pictures. I say let the urban deer be unless they are destroying something in your yard. A truly wild deer would have never let me get that close with no cover. I killed a monster in Illinois the next year and that one meant something. Seek one is making money off the deal and that's it. Tell them to do like everyone else and go poke a giant wild deer like all the outdoor channel guys do.
I am clearly on the side of killing suburban deer, whether there are too many of them or not. SeekOne however are just plain dumb about it by doing their videos. There is no doubt in my mind that they have increased hunter numbers, but they have also increased anti hunters and the lobbyists who want hunting banned. Kill the deer, that's just fine. Kill the world record, I don't care. Post it up and tell the story about it, I've read hundreds of stories about people killing big bucks my whole life. I love reading the stories. These guys do a bang up job of getting permission…I mean he's an insurance salesman right? I have watched a few of the videos and they should be utterly embarrassed by the shots they took to kill deer. Terrible terrible shot placement and terrible terrible discernment on what's a good shot and what's not. Yes they recovered the deer, but I think they couldn't eat the meat because they had to wait overnight to track because of their terrible terrible ethics. More important to take the shot than to take a good shot. For this reason alone they should be ashamed of themselves, but they are not. Not one bit. Taking unethical shots cannot be defended IMO. Making money off of them is even worse.
Like I said, urban deer need to be killed. If I had permission (and I thought I could retrieve it in the property I was hunting) I would have zero issue killing one or 20 deer. We would eat them all in my house. But I wouldn't go on YouTube bragging about my great hunting prowess, because that ain't hunting prowess at all.
Like I said, urban deer need to be killed. If I had permission (and I thought I could retrieve it in the property I was hunting) I would have zero issue killing one or 20 deer. We would eat them all in my house. But I wouldn't go on YouTube bragging about my great hunting prowess, because that ain't hunting prowess at all.
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I'm sure this guy has brought in new hunters but is he bringing in the "right" ones or just a group of guys who want to shoot deer for "likes?"
Have to admit. He's not dumb and is able to build a company off his brand and make a living.
Back in Illinois (HELL), we had suburban deer and some monsters.
Various people tried to get permission, me included to hunt within city/town limits but the always pulled out the "Village Ordinance" card.
We also had what was called Cook County Forest Preserve land and proposals by various groups were always shut down due to safety.
I offered to pay $300 for a permit.
Shot down.
But……
They contracted out snipers with silenced .223s. At a huge cost.
Saw a dump truck full of deer one morning.
In Seek Ones case, hunting too close to other residents is gonna tick some off.
That's when "village ordinances " start.
The whole social media hunting thing I don't get.
I go out, hunt,take a pic or two.
Wash rinse repeat.
Have to admit. He's not dumb and is able to build a company off his brand and make a living.
Back in Illinois (HELL), we had suburban deer and some monsters.
Various people tried to get permission, me included to hunt within city/town limits but the always pulled out the "Village Ordinance" card.
We also had what was called Cook County Forest Preserve land and proposals by various groups were always shut down due to safety.
I offered to pay $300 for a permit.
Shot down.
But……
They contracted out snipers with silenced .223s. At a huge cost.
Saw a dump truck full of deer one morning.
In Seek Ones case, hunting too close to other residents is gonna tick some off.
That's when "village ordinances " start.
The whole social media hunting thing I don't get.
I go out, hunt,take a pic or two.
Wash rinse repeat.
batten_down
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It's better that way. One day little Timmy's pet buck is there, next day he's gone. Head cut off and dumped unceremoniously in the back of a city truck with a couple dozen more. Head off (lol) to the landfill. Taxpayer funded. Rack ends up in some slicksters mancave where he tells lies about it. Soccer moms like it this way. We capitulate to Soccer moms.
But ask yourself this, the way they're carving up farms, you think we're gonna see more or less of this? We need to unify and stand behind our hunting brothers and hold on to the opportunities we have. Once we start giving an inch, they'll take a mile. Sometimes we're our own worst enemy.
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No, it's not better.
Where things can go south is when inexperienced hunters start hunting suburbia and Little Timmy's buck has an arrow sticking out of his rear end.
Promote hunting but attract the right people.
Maybe I'm just turning into a grumpy old man but I miss the days before social media, funny I say that being on social media typing this, where we fished and hunted with our buddies and celebrated afterwards with a beer.
Snap some pictures, wait two weeks then stick em in a shoebox.
I'm gonna go with yes. Here is the deal. I bet he started out like any of us, just wanting to shoot a big buck. He figured out that if he paid a lot of money he could get access to shooting back yard deer in the suburbs of major metros. It is not the same as shooting one on private farms that the deer can go from one farm to another and be hundreds of yards or miles away and not come back. It sure as heck isn't the same as hunting on public land.
All that being said, even if he didn't film, no way these guys are NOT going to post on social media. He used his early kills to get subscribers to his channel, made a lot of money and uses that money (and fame
) to gain access to new suburban spots. Without the access to these spots he wouldn't be killing these deer. Essentially I am saying he's probably not that good a hunter, he just has good spots. The way he goes about it though (filming, shooting off peoples driveways, etc.) makes people who have hunted their whole life and done it the hard way loathe him. Even if he just put pics up I am sure they would loathe him still.
I will say this on the buck in question. If he wants to hunt it, we all know he is pretty good at hunting these deer and most people around him (neighbors) don't know. If he wants to hunt this particular buck the way he should do it is LEAVE THE CAMERA GEAR AT HOME. Don't do it for the fame, likes and subscribers.
Go hunt the deer, kill it if you can, then quietly enter it for measurement. The GWs will want to be sure you were hunting legally. Prove that and tell them you don't want to draw attention to it, because the neighborhood Karen's will cry, and enter it for the record books. Let that be the only notoriety you get (your name in the record book). Personally I don't know think it should be eligible.
We all know he won't do that (red bold font) and won't be able to resist filming it and shining the spot light on himself.
Go hunt the deer, kill it if you can, then quietly enter it for measurement. The GWs will want to be sure you were hunting legally. Prove that and tell them you don't want to draw attention to it, because the neighborhood Karen's will cry, and enter it for the record books. Let that be the only notoriety you get (your name in the record book). Personally I don't know think it should be eligible.
We all know he won't do that (red bold font) and won't be able to resist filming it and shining the spot light on himself.
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