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farmin68":1p8doi0p said:
They need to, that's for sure.
As I said before, any AD that doesn't know where someone has worked in the past before offering them a job is an idiot.
If he did know, then he is a liar.
PillsburyDoughboy
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http://www.knoxnews.com/story/sports/co ... 897793001/
Tennessee "carefully interviewed and vetted" potential coaching hire Greg Schiano, athletic director John Currie said a statement Monday in defense of his coaching search and the end it almost reached.
The Vols reportedly had a deal in place with the Ohio State defensive coordinator on Sunday morning. But the deal fell through by the end of the day after intense backlash from the fan base, state representatives and local business owners.
"We carefully interviewed and vetted him, as we do candidates for all positions," Currie said in the statement. "He received the highest recommendations for character, family values and commitment to academic achievement and student-athlete welfare from his current and former athletics directors, players, coaching colleagues and experienced media figures."
Much of the uproar after USA TODAY reported that Schiano was in line to be the next Tennessee coach stemmed from his time on the staff at Penn State in the early 1990s. Schiano spent five seasons in Happy Valley, four as the defensive backs coach on the staff of convicted child sexual abuser Jerry Sandusky.
Tennessee "carefully interviewed and vetted" potential coaching hire Greg Schiano, athletic director John Currie said a statement Monday in defense of his coaching search and the end it almost reached.
The Vols reportedly had a deal in place with the Ohio State defensive coordinator on Sunday morning. But the deal fell through by the end of the day after intense backlash from the fan base, state representatives and local business owners.
"We carefully interviewed and vetted him, as we do candidates for all positions," Currie said in the statement. "He received the highest recommendations for character, family values and commitment to academic achievement and student-athlete welfare from his current and former athletics directors, players, coaching colleagues and experienced media figures."
Much of the uproar after USA TODAY reported that Schiano was in line to be the next Tennessee coach stemmed from his time on the staff at Penn State in the early 1990s. Schiano spent five seasons in Happy Valley, four as the defensive backs coach on the staff of convicted child sexual abuser Jerry Sandusky.
PillsburyDoughboy
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Probably rigtfully so.farmin68":2qskrt7a said:
Lots of Legal Mumbo Jumbo being thrown around in the 20 Million dollar buy out of Schiano. Tortious Interference > it could could have some serious impact on Schiano getting a future job . I figure they will wind up settling this matter out of court but who knows. Schiano could take this all the way and win big.
BARhunter
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I agree with people being able to voice their displeasure about Schiano being the next UT coaching hire. It was much more than just upset fans who voiced their concerns and displeasure when they heard about the pending announcement of his hire.
The problems this may create could be very severe and this could also make getting a great coach hired much more difficult. I'm no legal expert, but there may very well be some financial problems that UT may have to work through because of the "Memorandum of Understanding" that Currie and Schiano signed.
Did Currie not seek out the necessary support from the University for Schiano before becoming that involved with the man? Whose overseeing Currie?
Do the UT fans suddenly feel empowered and believe that they can gather and protest every potential hire in the future if they disagree? This could be very problematic. Especially with today's society and the way people are quick to react and judge. There is simply no coaching candidate out there that will make everyone and all UT fans happy. I would hate to see next year's football season begin and fans protesting outside the stadium at every home game because they don't like the new coach, or disagree with the person who gets the job. As we all have seen here lately, people protest everything imaginable!
Social media revealed itself in a very crude way yesterday. UT fans need to realize the impact they are having in this process, both negatively and positively. The negativity was taken to extreme levels yesterday and that is not good for the University and/or the process. One thing I have learned as a retired military veteran and a retired law enforcement officer, being negative and behaving negative only creates more negativity and it does more harm than good!
What potential coaching hire would want to be exposed to potential backlash and fans protesting before they even sign their first recruit, or even coach their first UT game? Even though I am glad they are not following through with hiring Schiano for my own reasons, other potential future candidates may not want to even come to UT now because of how Schiano's hiring/firing went down. Much more thought should have went into this process before it got to the point it reached yesterday.
I realize some may think I am being judgmental, but I think UT should take a good hard look at John Currie and how he has handled this situation. I know that if I make bad decisions where I work that potentially cost my employer millions of dollars (or even thousands of dollars), I am going to be fired very quickly. My salary is much less than John Currie's salary, by the way! In my opinion, he's getting paid big money to do a very important job with a lot of responsibility so I hold him accountable for how this process is being handled. The University must do what is necessary to get control of this situation immediately. Moving forward from this point, the process needs to be done correctly and professionally. The people tasked with handling this process need to realize the long term impact they are having on the future of the UT VOLS football program, and all UT sports.
I am a lifelong UT fan and I must admit it was embarrassing and disappointing the way the events played out yesterday. The whole season this year has been an embarrassment to the University of Tennessee and the fans. The people in responsible positions at UT don't need to continue to do things that are embarrassing to the institution and/or the fans. Tennessee fans deserve for the process to be handled in a professional manner and expect the UT administration to be professional. The institution needs to better manage the process and ensure that this type of scenario does not play out again.
Just my opinion!
The problems this may create could be very severe and this could also make getting a great coach hired much more difficult. I'm no legal expert, but there may very well be some financial problems that UT may have to work through because of the "Memorandum of Understanding" that Currie and Schiano signed.
Did Currie not seek out the necessary support from the University for Schiano before becoming that involved with the man? Whose overseeing Currie?
Do the UT fans suddenly feel empowered and believe that they can gather and protest every potential hire in the future if they disagree? This could be very problematic. Especially with today's society and the way people are quick to react and judge. There is simply no coaching candidate out there that will make everyone and all UT fans happy. I would hate to see next year's football season begin and fans protesting outside the stadium at every home game because they don't like the new coach, or disagree with the person who gets the job. As we all have seen here lately, people protest everything imaginable!
Social media revealed itself in a very crude way yesterday. UT fans need to realize the impact they are having in this process, both negatively and positively. The negativity was taken to extreme levels yesterday and that is not good for the University and/or the process. One thing I have learned as a retired military veteran and a retired law enforcement officer, being negative and behaving negative only creates more negativity and it does more harm than good!
What potential coaching hire would want to be exposed to potential backlash and fans protesting before they even sign their first recruit, or even coach their first UT game? Even though I am glad they are not following through with hiring Schiano for my own reasons, other potential future candidates may not want to even come to UT now because of how Schiano's hiring/firing went down. Much more thought should have went into this process before it got to the point it reached yesterday.
I realize some may think I am being judgmental, but I think UT should take a good hard look at John Currie and how he has handled this situation. I know that if I make bad decisions where I work that potentially cost my employer millions of dollars (or even thousands of dollars), I am going to be fired very quickly. My salary is much less than John Currie's salary, by the way! In my opinion, he's getting paid big money to do a very important job with a lot of responsibility so I hold him accountable for how this process is being handled. The University must do what is necessary to get control of this situation immediately. Moving forward from this point, the process needs to be done correctly and professionally. The people tasked with handling this process need to realize the long term impact they are having on the future of the UT VOLS football program, and all UT sports.
I am a lifelong UT fan and I must admit it was embarrassing and disappointing the way the events played out yesterday. The whole season this year has been an embarrassment to the University of Tennessee and the fans. The people in responsible positions at UT don't need to continue to do things that are embarrassing to the institution and/or the fans. Tennessee fans deserve for the process to be handled in a professional manner and expect the UT administration to be professional. The institution needs to better manage the process and ensure that this type of scenario does not play out again.
Just my opinion!
PillsburyDoughboy
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I read that ONE report and it did not sound like it was coming from the Schiano camp to me. Sounded more like a smoke screen to me. Guess Time will tell.huntinkev":2ubxn71f said:
PillsburyDoughboy
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You make some good points. There are going to be some vol fans that are going to be unhappy with whoever they hire unless its Gruden and I feel sure Gruden is a flat NO.BARhunter":21f04d38 said:
Yesterday's Fiasco crated more problems than ever for a already struggling program.
Guess Programs in the future will have to go to social media and let the fans decide before a hire in the future.
farmin68":1kv68c85 said:
Probably not, but what I do know is this: The State of Tennessee is going to be paying Schiano to be Ohio State's defensive coordinator! :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
How much do you think a man's reputation is worth on top of the liquidated damages provision in the MOU?
"Always remember, ...... rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots."
mr.big
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dang I wish The Donald was a Vol fan instead of the Haslam idiots,,,can you imagine what Trump would do with the idiots running the Athletic Department at the University of Tn,,
huntinkev
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I don't believe the uproar was simply because of unwanted hire. It was a morel dilemma that many TN fans did not want to be associated with, me included. I think the uproar on social media yesterday was a rare thing that would not have happened had their not been any ties to Sandusky. I was embarrassed yet proud, embarrassed the whole situation took place but proud that TN fans stood up for decency sake and not accepted the baggage. If this had been a normal bad coach hire and not had the very questionable character issue, I don't think it would have blown up. Sure there would have been some displeasure, you are going to have that no matter who you hire (even Gruden). If Shiano had same resume but wasn't associated with Sandusky under oath in court proceedings, he would have been announced and we would have had a new coach. Although, in my opinion another bad hire, I would have accepted it and would have been behind him until he started going downhill.
Bambi Buster
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Failing all else, maybe Shiano should retire, move to Alabama and run for the U.S. Senate.
Scioto":32af1z4j said:
Mayne not
!MOU said it wasn't a valid contract unless signed by the UTAD, the hired coach, the Chancellor of the University, and the UT director of Finance.
The Chancellor says she never signed it :tu: !
nitro_z17
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ESPN: And now reports are that Tenn did not actually sign the MOU. That is a game changer! That def changes my opinion of the situation
TeamMainStreet
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Again, this was not all done by Vol Twitter. If VolTwitter was that powerful, Butch Jones would have been fired when the clock struck 0 against UGA.
This decision was influenced from much higher up in TN govt. UTK is a state run school. Between that and big money boosters not named Haslam.
With all that UT has been through, it was stupid to even have this guys name mentioned as even being a possibility of a candidate. They could have picked anybody but him but they didnt and for that they are unqualified for their repective jobs.
This decision was influenced from much higher up in TN govt. UTK is a state run school. Between that and big money boosters not named Haslam.
With all that UT has been through, it was stupid to even have this guys name mentioned as even being a possibility of a candidate. They could have picked anybody but him but they didnt and for that they are unqualified for their repective jobs.
BamaProud
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I don't think future coaching candidates have much to worry about regarding being protested...unless they have accusations of enabling child rape in their past.
Tennessee fans just want a good coach. Petrino or Kiffin would be on my short list.
Tennessee fans just want a good coach. Petrino or Kiffin would be on my short list.
I believe there is more to this story than we will ever know. We do know that Vol fans voiced their displeasure
yesterday in droves, and are now getting crushed by the "media". Who cares what any of them say? The only one
I heard that was half way taking up for TN was Bomani Jones. My question is if he was such a good hire, why wasn't his
name out there for other coaching jobs? Urban Myth said he had multiple offers, but we have never heard any of them.
I believe it was a dang if we do dang if we dont situation with no way to win. Sorry in todays world it is better to not
take a chance on someone if there is even a hint it will come back to bite you.
yesterday in droves, and are now getting crushed by the "media". Who cares what any of them say? The only one
I heard that was half way taking up for TN was Bomani Jones. My question is if he was such a good hire, why wasn't his
name out there for other coaching jobs? Urban Myth said he had multiple offers, but we have never heard any of them.
I believe it was a dang if we do dang if we dont situation with no way to win. Sorry in todays world it is better to not
take a chance on someone if there is even a hint it will come back to bite you.
