JCDEERMAN
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@megalomaniac 's main residence is in Mississippi. He has farms there and in Tennessee
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Dont have deer cameras mine are people cams to catch trespassers ! Prove me wrong !!! LOL !!!
Headhunter
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No it is not the same. The camera is there 24/7. I am not for banning them or against them but I do believe compared to just plain hunting it takes away from hunting. Sure, someone still has to kill the deer, they still have to put up a stand, a blind, and be proficient enough with whatever they use, gun or bow, but most of the "hunting" aspect is lost in my opinion, which is why I have never used them and don't care to.
My experience with cameras is that they hang 24/7 as you say in one static spot that monitors roughly a 30ft x 30ft area. That's 10sqyds. If the deer steps a few feet either direction, he's no longer being monitored. 99.999% of his life is not monitored by the camera. If you think a snapshot in time on an extremely localized spot gives me the ability to supersede "most of the hunting aspect", then brother you are giving both me and the cameras way too much credit.
IMO, your opinion would carry a whole lot more weight if you actually had experience, not just conjecture & preconceived bias. Walk a mile in the other shoe & then let's have this discussion again. I'll send you one of my cameras for free. Try it. Use it any way you want. Please use it to your best ability to find out if it actually eliminates the "hunting aspect" as you think. Won't cost you a dime, except maybe some AA batteries. I'll even send an SD card so you don't have to buy that. I'm dead serious. I'll pull one of my cameras off a tree & send it to you. All I ask for in return is honesty, an honest effort and an honest report. If you still feel the same then so be it, at least your opinion will be based on actual experience. But if you have to eat crow, I want to know how it tastes.
Headhunter
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Nope, not interested. They have never interested me and I won't say never but I don't believe I will ever use them. I am far from alone in how I feel to. Many I know have no care for cameras. Not against them but I have no care to use one. I may develop a care about trail cameras, and that will be to ban them, just because of people talking about them, preach at me about them, etc. And I won't be for banning them because I think they need to be banned but because I get tired of being told how wrong I am, how I don't know to hunt if I don't use a camera or (this is a new one) I will eat crow if I use one because I will like using them if I tried them, etc . I have plenty of experience through friends with cameras and I could care less about them and yes, for me, they take away from the "hunting" aspect of killing deer, to me they change it completely. I am all for those that use them, but I don't care to. Well, if needed, I believe they are be priceless to for catching lawbreakers anywhere.
They are useless and not needed for deer hunting in my hunting world though.
Four wheelers has probably got more deer killed than cameras ever will. That small 6pt or small 8pt a mile or 2 back in the woods would have probably lived .Because most hunters will not walk that far to hunt nor would they drag one that far out but with that Four wheeler it makes everything a lot easier.
TheLBLman
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So have optical sights on rifles.
So have deer stands.
And, maybe, so has the compass, now the gps.
Maybe so have waterproof, comfortable hunting clothes & boots.
Back in the day of everyone hunting with a flintlock,
hunters wore moccasins, and it was really "tough" to hunt
with wet feet, even tougher when cold & wet,
never mind was only about 50/50 your gun would shoot.
How would you feel if magnifying rifle scopes were made illegal?
After all, rifle scopes allow you to see in "real time",
then just pull the trigger to kill a deer?
I was just pointing out one thing that has helped hunters i wasn't complaining about the things we have to use.
TheLBLman
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Oh, I know. I was just pointing out that many other things contribute much more to how many deer we kill than cell cams or trail cams.
In fact, I believe the first few years of my personal trail cam usage,
such use likely caused me to kill not only fewer bucks,
but REDUCED my odds at a target buck.
Many years later, have gone thru many "learning" curves,
I believe trail cam usage improves my odds at a specific target buck.
I also know the usage contributes to my killing fewer total bucks.
Given the option to forfeit a rifle scope, or a deer stand, or a cell cam,
I'd gladly forfeit the cell cam, as it contributes much less than scopes & stands
to my hunting success.
Quality hunting clothing has had a larger impact on me killing deer than any other piece of gear. I don't like bein cold. Makes all my squeaky parts hurt. Longer I can stay warm, longer I can stay in the woods...
I get what you're saying but are we really comparing apples to apples? A camera is doing your work when we're not present. You could be at a ball game, your 9-5, on the couch, etc…
The argument they only cover so much ground is a bit of a moot point, IMO. You're targeting something when you set it up. You're not just tossing it up blind folded and turning it on where it may land. Your decision to hunt or not is based on where that can was focused, not a mile down the road…
I'm beginning to believe the fate of TnDeer and deer hunting in general is in the hands of AAA and SD. There's certainly some strong opinions in here which is good I suppose.
Well, I can't say I'm surprised. But I did offer.
TheLBLman
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We probably should be comparing the haves to the haves not.
Those who don't have them, demonize them.
Those who use them, like to do so.
Human Nature seems to work this way with many things.
I remember hearing about my great-uncle proclaiming no one should be allowed to drive one of those "automobiles" on "his" county road! Then he got one, and that made them ok to drive.
You are basing your opinion on no personal experience. Not trying to be rude to you, but if you are ignorant of a subject how can you have an opinion?
That is a strong opinion for someone who doesn't have any experience with them. Your opinions are based on assumptions not your experience.
fairchaser
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I would be against any ban but I do believe they can be detrimental to the harvest of mature bucks! In spite of precautions taken to keep scent down, every time you check a camera counts as an intrusion. If you were to draw a map and trace a line across your hunting area for each intrusion, that spider web of scent trails at the end of the season would surprise you.
Mature bucks pick up on these early on and down go your chances of ever seeing him.
Mature bucks pick up on these early on and down go your chances of ever seeing him.
I only use cellular for this reason. Well and I'm lazy and enjoy instant feedback
Headhunter
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Really, I have seen thousands of trail cam pics, none of them mine, but I have literally seen thousands of trail cam pics. Do I like seeing them? Of course. Do they have a place in my hunting world, other than to catch trespassers? Nope. To me they take away from HUNTING, they take away from the experience. I literally see pics most everyday, I generally do not pay attention to them, I have almost become immune to them. To me what fun is there in having a camera do the work, meaning I know of so many who will not hunt unless they have pics of a particular buck or just a good buck or just pics of deer at all. They literally don't hunt unless the camera is "telling them to". Not for me, I don't need, don't want and don't care about using cameras to look for deer. I like using what I see with my own eyes, whether it is when I scout (which I rarely if ever do) or when I am hunting.
I do have one experience with cameras. I have posted and said many times that after the first week or so in December, just seeing deer (a buck, especially a better buck is as scarce as bigfoot where I hunt, and not just for me but all the guys that hunt the land around us to) becomes extremely difficult in Tennessee, and I have hunted several counties. And that is even though there is sign everywhere. There have been seasons I have killed a pile of mature does, most of the time on a farm I was asked to come and kill deer, but December, especially after the first week, has always been tough for me.
The year, a few years ago, my daughter decided she wanted to hunt and really wanted to kill a buck, but, she wasn't able to go in November and did not start going til December. I explained to her how difficult just seeing deer was after November, much less a buck. We went every chance we got for just over a week, we never saw one deer, not one. That she got discouraged is an understatement, she was convinced there were no deer where we hunting at all. I keep a couple cameras for trespassers, I have been hunting the farm we were hunting (it is gone now) for over 30 years. I borrowed a couple more and put out 4 cameras, like I said I know this farm pretty well and we have never put a camera out for deer there. My brother and myself got together, sprayed down with scent blocker, gloves, etc. and put them out, thickets, trails that were mud (actually there are trails there right now, I still have about 20 acres to hunt, that are mud, look like deer highways). We never got one picture of a deer, not one, bobcats, raccoons, foxes, dogs, coyotes, etc. but zero deer and this farm for sure had deer, lots of them, thanks for the help from the cameras, NOT! I managed to convince her that cameras are basically useless and just because the deer don't show up on camera, that does not mean there are not deer using the place, being persistent is the key and not giving up. She stayed with it and missed a nice buck, partly my fault because I got to excited and partly because she had a small window to make a shot. A couple days later she killed a really nice buck. At least she learned not to depend on cameras. We kept those cameras out for that season and even tried a couple different locations and never got one picture of a deer, even though we had a rare ending to the season and passed some bucks and killed several does off of that farm.
Very limited experience, but I know all I need to know about cameras. Like I said, I don't even really scout, almost never, I for sure don't need a camera and I for sure don't have to see pics to hunt or to get excited about hunting.
Headhunter
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Even I feel they can be "cheating" in some ways, I agree, I believe cameras save more bucks lives, especially mature bucks, than most anything else. I cannot count the number of pics of great bucks, even some giants in Tennessee I have been shown. And not only were those bucks never killed, they were never seen by the hunters who showed me the pics.
Nope, I don't demonize them, don't hate them, actually some pics are really cool. Do I need or want them for hunting, nope.
fairchaser
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Cellular is way better than trudging into an area but the mature bucks can still see the camera and they know what they are.
