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The hiring of Debord is a bad sign of the true state of Vol football. On the surface, after two straight top 5 classes, Vol fans should be upbeat about the near term and long term prospects of the program. However, I believe the Bajakian departure and Debord hiring should raise alarm bells for Vol fans that the coaching staff situation in Knoxville is not what it appears. Of course, I have no inside information and this is only my opinion, but let's compare coaching changes and non-changes at three premier programs to those at UT.

Regardless of the man's personality or standing, Lane Kiffin is a highly regarded offensive mind and the OC at one of the premier college football programs. He possibly could have gone to San Fran to become their OC. This can only be viewed as a lateral move and one he would have made only if it would enhance his chances of getting another head coaching job in college. That he did not take it shows that staying at Bama is, most likely in his estimation, better at getting him that head coach position. This makes total sense given Saban's coaching tree and the number of Saban assistants that are now head coaches in college. Every assistant coach in college, if they are any good and even those that aren't, dream about being head coaches and their moves have to be viewed with that end in mind. For Kiffin, staying at Bama is better for his near term goals.

Urban Meyer has been a head coach for 13 years. He has an incredible number of 12 assistants to have become head coaches in college. OSU, like Alabama, is a premier college program. Tony Alford just left Notre Dame, another premier program, to become the rb coach at OSU, the same position he held at ND. Why make a lateral move from one premier program to another. Simple, and according to Alford, OSU and Meyer afford him a better opportunity to move up than Kelly and ND.

Now to UT. First warning signal- Bajakian leaves essentially for a demotion (OC to QB coach). Something's amiss. Problems with Butch? Don't know why taking a demotion was viewed by Bajakian as improving his head coaching chances, but we do know that staying UT was no longer viewed as in his best interests. Second warning signal - Plenty of teams running a spread offense in college, but Jones hires a crony who when he last coached he coached (and has always coached) an old school I. The good assistants go to schools because the head coach is going to boost their career. Bajakian's move was noticed and wasn't lost on other assistants wanting to become OC's. I guarantee you, Azzani is not happy. I bet he feels overlooked and isn't happy about some old out of coaching coach being brought in over him to "groom" him. Like other assistants, to him that's what Butch is for. I think this also shows other good assistants didn't want to come to Knoxville and probably thought that if Azzani wasn't getting the job, that's a huge red flag. Butch had no choice but to hire Debord.

Vols fans you've got problems and its your favorite head coach.
 
Absolutely. Posted at 7:48 and you replied at 7:54. Think. For once. Use that noggin. It comes in handy.
 
OHVATN":3w0lcwd9 said:
Absolutely. Posted at 7:48 and you replied at 7:54. Think. For once. Use that noggin. It comes in handy.


So your saying,what are you saying? :pop:
 
I posted a very long post and I think your response is just a reaction and not well thought out.

Any person's, organization's, team's greatest strength is their greatest weakness.

What can I say. I went to Mount Union and Georgetown not some state school.
 
You can find reasons for ANY team And say there gonna win and this is Why, or they are going down hill and this is why.

I don't see the Vols going 10-2 or anything that amazing. But next season IMO is gonna show if CBJ can take 2 top recruiting classes and win games in the SEC if he goes 8-4 and improves again, I think he proves he can coach and he can get the Vols back to the top. Alot of people ( Mostly bandwagon fans) are gonna say 8-4 Big deal But if he can go.
5-7 year 1
7-6 year 2
8-4 year 3 with a chance for a 9th win.

Then it shows me he is more then likely gonna take his year Three 8-4 team, and improve again in year 4.

We will see only time will tell.
 
Dang.... You let the cat out of the bag. You have now told the only ones that couldn't see these problems through their orange color glasses. Now they know that it's going to be a rough season and it's not ice skating.... :)
 
You've got your whole post wrong! First bajakian, you see him taking demotion? I think he got a raise and he's in the nfl. He has 3 small kids, college is 365 days a year. When your not coaching you are recruiting. He will have more time with his kids in nfl and be making more money.

You say tn couldn't hire any other oc. How many other oc's were offered and turned it down? 0 that I know of, maybe you know something I don't. So how could you say butch had no choice but to hire debord. I think there was several guys that would have jumped on this job at the first chance.

Azzani is not happy....he is still here when he could have left but you know for a fact he is not happy. He may love the idea of being passing game coordinator and gaining some experience before facing the sec as a new play caller and possibly failing and hurting his career, I don't know and neither do you.

So I don't see any merit in your post and it's full of hot air, tn hate talk. [emoji4]
 
No, it's not hate talk at all. It's a rational observation of recent college coaching changes and non-changes. And, NFL coaches sleep at the office.
 
#1-Lane Kiffin has been his own worst enemy. He is not fit for head coach as he has proven TWICE before.he along with everyone else knows this so why would he leave big money at Alabama to chase a pipe dream of another head coaching job?

#2- Are you seriously going to compare a RB coaching job to an OC job?

#3- Bajakian had worked with Lovie Smith before and apparently liked it. He was offered the job again so why not? Maybe he didn't like the recruiting. Many coaches have stated that fact. Maybe he just wanted a change of scenery. Who knows. Most will never know. It does not really matter. He gone. Butch Jones has had an offense in place here for two years. All the players on the roster know this offense and Butch wanted to do everything he could to keep that intact. Mike Debord was hired because Butch knows that he can work with him, trust him and know that things will be done the way he wants them done. The offense will not change much but will be enhanced in certain aspects. I see a guy with years of offensive line experience. Something TN needs work on. I see a guy with years of tight end coaching experience. Something TN could definately make use of. I see a guy with lots of power run game experience. Something that TN could implement and benefit from. And all the while, the scheme won't completely change face from what the players know. Debord has seen a lot of offenses and defenses and you can take that to the bank. 30+ years of experience and for some reason people think this guy don't know what he's doing. I'm not buying it. Razzle Dazzle and speed of a spread/option style offense with power in the trenches and the backfield. Sounds interesting to me.


And if they have any extra time maybe Debord can show the a triple axle flying dragon. :lol:

For somebody that wants to see TN succeed, you don't really have much positivity to add do you?
 
OHVATN":3nfu0u38 said:
No, it's not hate talk at all. It's a rational observation of recent college coaching changes and non-changes. And, NFL coaches sleep at the office.

Sleep at the office For 16 weeks, in college they sleep at the office for 12 weeks and then on the road recruiting 40.
 
OHVATN":6cf5yv1c said:
The hiring of Debord is a bad sign of the true state of Vol football. On the surface, after two straight top 5 classes, Vol fans should be upbeat about the near term and long term prospects of the program. However, I believe the Bajakian departure and Debord hiring should raise alarm bells for Vol fans that the coaching staff situation in Knoxville is not what it appears. Of course, I have no inside information and this is only my opinion, but let's compare coaching changes and non-changes at three premier programs to those at UT.

Regardless of the man's personality or standing, Lane Kiffin is a highly regarded offensive mind and the OC at one of the premier college football programs. He possibly could have gone to San Fran to become their OC. This can only be viewed as a lateral move and one he would have made only if it would enhance his chances of getting another head coaching job in college. That he did not take it shows that staying at Bama is, most likely in his estimation, better at getting him that head coach position. This makes total sense given Saban's coaching tree and the number of Saban assistants that are now head coaches in college. Every assistant coach in college, if they are any good and even those that aren't, dream about being head coaches and their moves have to be viewed with that end in mind. For Kiffin, staying at Bama is better for his near term goals.

Urban Meyer has been a head coach for 13 years. He has an incredible number of 12 assistants to have become head coaches in college. OSU, like Alabama, is a premier college program. Tony Alford just left Notre Dame, another premier program, to become the rb coach at OSU, the same position he held at ND. Why make a lateral move from one premier program to another. Simple, and according to Alford, OSU and Meyer afford him a better opportunity to move up than Kelly and ND.

Now to UT. First warning signal- Bajakian leaves essentially for a demotion (OC to QB coach). Something's amiss. Problems with Butch? Don't know why taking a demotion was viewed by Bajakian as improving his head coaching chances, but we do know that staying UT was no longer viewed as in his best interests. Second warning signal - Plenty of teams running a spread offense in college, but Jones hires a crony who when he last coached he coached (and has always coached) an old school I. The good assistants go to schools because the head coach is going to boost their career. Bajakian's move was noticed and wasn't lost on other assistants wanting to become OC's. I guarantee you, Azzani is not happy. I bet he feels overlooked and isn't happy about some old out of coaching coach being brought in over him to "groom" him. Like other assistants, to him that's what Butch is for. I think this also shows other good assistants didn't want to come to Knoxville and probably thought that if Azzani wasn't getting the job, that's a huge red flag. Butch had no choice but to hire Debord.

Vols fans you've got problems and its your favorite head coach.

Are you high?
 
Good points.

I do want the Vols to do well, but the Butch hype is covering up a serious problem in my view. Who knows. If I'm right, no one will care or remember and if I'm wrong, good. What I do know is this - Vol fans are going to great lengths to justify Butch hiring Debord and that should tell you all something. It's a bad sign.

There I go again. Guinness gets me riled up.
 
McCoy":5fdx95lr said:
OHVATN":5fdx95lr said:
The hiring of Debord is a bad sign of the true state of Vol football. On the surface, after two straight top 5 classes, Vol fans should be upbeat about the near term and long term prospects of the program. However, I believe the Bajakian departure and Debord hiring should raise alarm bells for Vol fans that the coaching staff situation in Knoxville is not what it appears. Of course, I have no inside information and this is only my opinion, but let's compare coaching changes and non-changes at three premier programs to those at UT.

Regardless of the man's personality or standing, Lane Kiffin is a highly regarded offensive mind and the OC at one of the premier college football programs. He possibly could have gone to San Fran to become their OC. This can only be viewed as a lateral move and one he would have made only if it would enhance his chances of getting another head coaching job in college. That he did not take it shows that staying at Bama is, most likely in his estimation, better at getting him that head coach position. This makes total sense given Saban's coaching tree and the number of Saban assistants that are now head coaches in college. Every assistant coach in college, if they are any good and even those that aren't, dream about being head coaches and their moves have to be viewed with that end in mind. For Kiffin, staying at Bama is better for his near term goals.

Urban Meyer has been a head coach for 13 years. He has an incredible number of 12 assistants to have become head coaches in college. OSU, like Alabama, is a premier college program. Tony Alford just left Notre Dame, another premier program, to become the rb coach at OSU, the same position he held at ND. Why make a lateral move from one premier program to another. Simple, and according to Alford, OSU and Meyer afford him a better opportunity to move up than Kelly and ND.

Now to UT. First warning signal- Bajakian leaves essentially for a demotion (OC to QB coach). Something's amiss. Problems with Butch? Don't know why taking a demotion was viewed by Bajakian as improving his head coaching chances, but we do know that staying UT was no longer viewed as in his best interests. Second warning signal - Plenty of teams running a spread offense in college, but Jones hires a crony who when he last coached he coached (and has always coached) an old school I. The good assistants go to schools because the head coach is going to boost their career. Bajakian's move was noticed and wasn't lost on other assistants wanting to become OC's. I guarantee you, Azzani is not happy. I bet he feels overlooked and isn't happy about some old out of coaching coach being brought in over him to "groom" him. Like other assistants, to him that's what Butch is for. I think this also shows other good assistants didn't want to come to Knoxville and probably thought that if Azzani wasn't getting the job, that's a huge red flag. Butch had no choice but to hire Debord.

Vols fans you've got problems and its your favorite head coach.

Are you high?

No. Are you?
 
PalsPal":22jj0k1d said:
Clift Notes Anyone? No way I'm reading that drivel.


I read part of it,never knew what he was trying to say,I believe he was trying to say something :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
 
OHVATN":2xmsa7oa said:
Good points.

I do want the Vols to do well, but the Butch hype is covering up a serious problem in my view. Who knows. If I'm right, no one will care or remember and if I'm wrong, good. What I do know is this - Vol fans are going to great lengths to justify Butch hiring Debord and that should tell you all something. It's a bad sign.

There I go again. Guinness gets me riled up.

This explains it.
 
I've never justified debord hire, I think I'm on the record as not being happy, I hope I'm wrong and we light it up this year. But covering up a serious problem? Mccoy moght be right, your in the clouds right now. Where is the serious problem? The top 5 class? The promotion of two of our better coaches? The momentum this team is carrying right now? The hiring of an experienced oc, with big time experience in power rushing? Debord is the last guy I wanted and I hope I'm wrong about him, but the man does have experience with rushing attacks and blocking schemes etc that he could bring and elevate our rushing attack. So where is the serious problem?
 

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