Crossing the Campbell County Line . . . . .

[PillsburyDoughboy]

Two things separate Ky from Tn other than the state line.

Agriculture and Baiting.

KY has vast amounts of Corn Crops spread throughout the state. You can drive sometimes for over a hour and see nothing but rows of corn. Tn has them in much smaller pockets throughout the state mostly in West Tn.

When deer are fed constant and continuous amounts of CORN year after year... they grow to be BIG MATURE DEER. Buck Limits and shorter seasons really do not come into play.

Baiting WILL entice a Older Mature buck in during those times when summer crops have been harvested and most natural resources have been depleted.

You two buckers can keep tripping all over yourselves over these regulations all you want. You can even get the regs changed to a 1 buck limit. We can have this same discussion 5 years from now or 10 years from now. Nothing will change without farmers increasing production of Corn and Greens throughout the state in LARGE tracts and Baiting regulations getting implemented.

 

[darn2ten]

Two things separate Ky from Tn other than the state line.

Agriculture and Baiting.

KY has vast amounts of Corn Crops spread throughout the state. You can drive sometimes for over a hour and see nothing but rows of corn. Tn has them in much smaller pockets throughout the state mostly in West Tn.

When deer are fed constant and continuous amounts of CORN year after year... they grow to be BIG MATURE DEER. Buck Limits and shorter seasons really do not come into play.

Baiting WILL entice a Older Mature buck in during those times when summer crops have been harvested and most natural resources have been depleted.

You two buckers can keep tripping all over yourselves over these regulations all you want. You can even get the regs changed to a 1 buck limit. We can have this same discussion 5 years from now or 10 years from now. Nothing will change without farmers increasing production of Corn and Greens throughout the state in LARGE tracts and Baiting regulations getting implemented.

Agriculture really has nothing to do with the differences between Whitney co, Ky and Cambell co, Tn. Also go ask somebody who hunts in a state where baiting is legal. I've known and have talked to many. Everyone of them has the same story. Say they never see mature bucks come to bait piles. They only visit them on occasion during the night as evidenced by their trail cameras.

 

[AT Hiker]

According to ag census Whitely Co has about 800 acres of corn and Campbell Co has 600 acres.

**Whitely County does have twice as many donkeys though...

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[Roost 1]

Two things separate Ky from Tn other than the state line.

Agriculture and Baiting.

KY has vast amounts of Corn Crops spread throughout the state. You can drive sometimes for over a hour and see nothing but rows of corn. Tn has them in much smaller pockets throughout the state mostly in West Tn.

When deer are fed constant and continuous amounts of CORN year after year... they grow to be BIG MATURE DEER. Buck Limits and shorter seasons really do not come into play.

Baiting WILL entice a Older Mature buck in during those times when summer crops have been harvested and most natural resources have been depleted.

You two buckers can keep tripping all over yourselves over these regulations all you want. You can even get the regs changed to a 1 buck limit. We can have this same discussion 5 years from now or 10 years from now. Nothing will change without farmers increasing production of Corn and Greens throughout the state in LARGE tracts and Baiting regulations getting implemented.

Actually during the antler growing phrase corn has ZERO nutrional value and is detrimental to antler growth...let me explain, if a buck during antler growth were to fill up on corn everyday instead of something rich in nutrients like soybeans then it would more harmful than helpful to antler development.... Now on a cold winters night they prolly do appreciate a little corn to keep them warm if no acorns are around....I will bet the farm baiting has nothing to do with big racks.

 

[deerchaser007]

According to ag census Whitely Co has about 800 acres of corn and Campbell Co has 600 acres.

**Whitely County does have twice as many donkeys though...

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Average Whitley county farm size is 121 acres. Average Campbell county farm size is 82 acres.This makes a difference when spread out over 400+ sq miles

 

[deerchaser007]

Two things separate Ky from Tn other than the state line.

Agriculture and Baiting.

KY has vast amounts of Corn Crops spread throughout the state. You can drive sometimes for over a hour and see nothing but rows of corn. Tn has them in much smaller pockets throughout the state mostly in West Tn.

When deer are fed constant and continuous amounts of CORN year after year... they grow to be BIG MATURE DEER. Buck Limits and shorter seasons really do not come into play.

Baiting WILL entice a Older Mature buck in during those times when summer crops have been harvested and most natural resources have been depleted.

You two buckers can keep tripping all over yourselves over these regulations all you want. You can even get the regs changed to a 1 buck limit. We can have this same discussion 5 years from now or 10 years from now. Nothing will change without farmers increasing production of Corn and Greens throughout the state in LARGE tracts and Baiting regulations getting implemented.

Agriculture really has nothing to do with the differences between Whitney co, Ky and Cambell co, Tn. Also go ask somebody who hunts in a state where baiting is legal. I've known and have talked to many. Everyone of them has the same story. Say they never see mature bucks come to bait piles. They only visit them on occasion during the night as evidenced by their trail cameras.

This is true. In states where baiting legal most everyone baits, so there is little to no advantage. But, in states where baiting is illegal, the advantage goes to those who risk getting caught, or there is flaws in the laws that allow some to legally bait, but others not to, giving them the advantage.

 

[deerchaser007]

I'll be off for a few days, but I wan't to add this about that particular area and soils. I'm just pointing this out: Any county that produces 15 Boone and Crockett bucks, and evidently a lot of those in the past decade, has great soil. As someone pointed out earlier, the counties around Whitley don't approach that number. I read last night in 2011 (I think) Whitley produced 4 Boone and Crockett bucks. It is a breeding ground for trophy's.

Now, if you want to say it's no better than Campbell, TN, I can live with it. You can even say Campbell, TN has better soil, but you can't say Whitley, KY has bad soil.

The difference in Whitley B&C bucks compared to its neighbors could be associated with a number of different variables not known. But soil is not one of them.
Let's just say for example, there is a trophy club in Whitley county intensively managing 5 to 10k acres for trophy bucks. The other counties around Whitley are not managed in that manner, who then could produce a significant amount more B&C bucks?
You ready to go back to genetics yet? Obviously not soil, so it must be genes. And I will give you some info that I read. Ky purchased whitetails from Wisconsin for $150 each. Were did they stock them? Laurel county. That's a interesting fact to throw in for the discussion.

 

[PickettSFHunter]

According to ag census Whitely Co has about 800 acres of corn and Campbell Co has 600 acres.

**Whitely County does have twice as many donkeys though...

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Average Whitley county farm size is 121 acres. Average Campbell county farm size is 82 acres.This makes a difference when spread out over 400+ sq miles

FWIW that's FARM size, not TRACT size. In an area without many farms, that makes a difference.


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[deerchaser007]

According to ag census Whitely Co has about 800 acres of corn and Campbell Co has 600 acres.

**Whitely County does have twice as many donkeys though...

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Average Whitley county farm size is 121 acres. Average Campbell county farm size is 82 acres.This makes a difference when spread out over 400+ sq miles

FWIW that's FARM size, not TRACT size. In an area without many farms, that makes a difference.


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Yes, I said farm size. But should have been more specific on spread out over 400+ sq miles. Thanks for that

 

[AT Hiker]

According to ag census Whitely Co has about 800 acres of corn and Campbell Co has 600 acres.

**Whitely County does have twice as many donkeys though...

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Average Whitley county farm size is 121 acres. Average Campbell county farm size is 82 acres.This makes a difference when spread out over 400+ sq miles

Just remember most of these "farms" are likely cattle with pasture and some woodlots mixed in. If Im not mistaken both of these counties are basically deep ridge and hollow type of country.

I would also guess that the majority of row crops are grown on the rivers in these areas as well.


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[TheLBLman]

I believe the biggest agricultural crop in both counties is tobacco.

 

[AT Hiker]

I believe the biggest agricultural crop in both counties is tobacco.

Well....lets just say "legal cash crop"


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[Roost 1]

I believe the biggest agricultural crop in both counties is tobacco.

Well....lets just say "legal cash crop"


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:smash: :smash:

 

[tn24]

Deer love "the other cash crop" according to the internet.

 

[Huntaholic]

SMH, you might as well give it up, some folks will NEVER admit the obvious when its as plain as the nose on their face. Ive been in both of those counties and the only difference is drawn on a map.

 

[AXL78]

. . . . . you can't say Whitley, KY has bad soil.

Whitley County has BAD soil, VERY BAD soil. :mrgreen:
And can STILL grow some great bucks!

It's not beach sand, but it's relatively "bad" to what we find all across West TN?

Neighboring McCreary County has 8 "official" entries. This is the KY county bordering Whitley to the west. True, not as many as Whitley, but a heck of a lot, in fact, I believe more than any single county anywhere in TN? McCreary is mostly composed of the Daniel Boone National Forest.

There are four (4) total Kentucky counties bordering Whitley (one of them being McCreary). NONE of these counties have any fewer than four (4) B&C bucks credited to them.
http://fw.ky.gov/Kentucky-Afield/Docume ... unting.pdf

In a hurry.

LBL, you could have written that another way. Of the four counties bordering Whitley, Whitley doubles it's closest competitor's entries to the west, and has 25% more entries than the other 3 counties combined, or quadruples each of those counties.

Look at the map in the quoted post. Go to McCreary, and draw a line straight north. It is done for you on this map. Notice the amount of high-grading that goes on to the east and west of that line. Look at the tiny county in the middle that has 13 entries, and notice the high-grading to the west.

Could be one big-a$$ hunting club runs up through there though.

 

[TheLBLman]

LBL, you could have written that another way.

Perhaps.
But my paper is about Whitley vs. Campbell, two extremely similar counties, their only obvious difference being that one is in KY, the other in TN. My primary purpose here is to rule out SOIL being a major factor for these differences in buck harvest outcomes between JUST THESE TWO COUNTIES.

If you want to separately bring up a case of McCreary vs. Scott vs. Whitley, have at it. In the meantime, as much as I appreciate your enthusiasm and contribution, most of your posts have mainly muddied the waters with irrelevance, at least regarding Whitley vs. Campbell.

Do you see anything not previously mentioned that would seem "different" regarding Whitley Co., KY vs. Campbell Co., TN?

 

[AXL78]

Lbl, not trying to mess the paper up.lol

At least include a disclaimer-county lies at southernmost tip of a vein of land notorious for producing Record class bucks. This vein most likely is glacial run-off that appears to have pooled at TN/KY line, and backed up to the northwest, as evidenced by the Boone and Crockett map.

Kind've like the vein in Arkansas know as Crowley's Ridge.

I won't bother you anymore. Phone typing was too hard. Haha.

In all seriousness, Good luck with paper.

 

[TheLBLman]

Thank You

Disclaimer:
Some believe that Campbell County lies at the southernmost tip of a vein of land notorious for producing Record class bucks, with the only yet recognized difference being that Campbell County is in Tennessee.

 

[102]

No wonder BSK left this site.

He is not a Wildlife Biologist but probably knows as much about deer as MANY noted Biologists.

Still, as far as the above discussion goes, all wildlife Biologists who know about soil, age, genetics, the definition of the words crepuscular, gregarious, and diurnal, whitetailed deer management, and other topics related to this discussion, preach on.

The rest are just blowing hot air probably based on what they saw on the latest TV hunting show.

Be careful what you ask for.