DoubleRidge
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Yeah actually I do....but I dont own the deer, turkey and songbirds...and I do care about whats best for wildlife.you dont own property do you
Yeah actually I do....but I dont own the deer, turkey and songbirds...and I do care about whats best for wildlife.you dont own property do you
Ok....so poison darts, spot lighting, aflatoxin, no limits.....the heck with conservation and stewardship....I bought it and can do what I want....gotcha.
There will always be extreme examples on each end of the spectrum....the conversation started with the question..."should baiting be legal?"If choosing between excessive government restrictions or private property freedom, I'll choose the latter. You live in a state where farmers can gut shoot dozens of deer on a summer night so they run out of the field to die but if a private land owner shoots a doe to feed his family on the wrong date or with the wrong weapon he can be fined and/or lose hunting privileges. Which one is stewardship?
how much. is it enough to matter in this equation!!! my little bit dont really but i really dont wanna listen to a state government agency that has let our turkey population decline so bad its down to two weeks later on opening date and 2 birds less!!Yeah actually I do....but I dont own the deer, turkey and songbirds...and I do care about whats best for wildlife.
You brought up the extreme examples with this strawman argument.There will always be extreme examples on each end of the spectrum....the conversation started with the question..."should baiting be legal?"
I dont believe so...so, if choosing between extreme examples and sound stewardship Ill choose the latter...baiting isnt good for wildlife.
Ok....so poison darts, spot lighting, aflatoxin, no limits.....the heck with conservation and stewardship....I bought it and can do what I want....gotcha.
Stewardship and conservation are simply putting the wildlife and land we enjoy above our enjoyment because we want our children to enjoy it after us. "People with that mentality" are the reason you have deer and turkeys to hunt and clean water to fish in.You brought up the extreme examples with this strawman argument.
Stewardship and conservation sound great but people with that mentality were the ones telling you to take a vaccine "for the common good" or "close down your business" to do your part to slow the spread. It's also weird how these great stewards always see their way of hunting as the right way. They want to tell others what weapons to use or how to hunt or how many bucks to kill or how big or old the animal should be, you know, in the name of stewardship. Their stewardship seems a lot like someone wanting to have a little control over another individual.
A private landowner will be the best steward of his land 9/10 times. The government (stewards) have annihilated much of the white-tailed deer herd in many places in the name of disease prevention. Is that a form of misguided stewardship? Nothing says stewardship like slaughtering healthy herds before they might get sick.
How much land I own doesnt change whats best for all wildlife. And the decline in turkey numbers is well documented across the southeast not just portions of Tennessee.how much. is it enough to matter in this equation!!! my little bit dont really but i really dont wanna listen to a state government agency that has let our turkey population decline so bad its down to two weeks later on opening date and 2 birds less!!
my "extreme examples" were sarcasm in reply to a post where it was said that a private landowner should be able to do whatever they want...your extreme example was about the starving folks who cant kill deer out of season...please....so back on topic...the question was asked, should baiting be legal...I think its terrible for wildlife...pretty simple.You brought up the extreme examples with this strawman argument
Talk about a strawman argument...wow.Stewardship and conservation sound great but people with that mentality were the ones telling you to take a vaccine "for the common good" or "close down your business"
Well said....Thank You.Stewardship and conservation are simply putting the wildlife and land we enjoy above our enjoyment
Stewardship and conservation are labels people use to push their agenda and make themselves feel good about. The labels are subjective. What's stewardship to a leftist environmentalist who doesn't own land may not jive with a landowner who owns 200 acres and enjoys to hunt. Who decides? The leftists in CA used stewardship and conservation (words that sound good) to cause a wildfire and water crisis- is that stewardship? Tens of thousands of burnt acres later, many will say no.Stewardship and conservation are simply putting the wildlife and land we enjoy above our enjoyment because we want our children to enjoy it after us. "People with that mentality" are the reason you have deer and turkeys to hunt and clean water to fish in.
Stewardship isn't exclusive to any political party and it shouldn't be.
how much do you own?? you are dodging the questionHow much land I own doesnt change whats best for all wildlife. And the decline in turkey numbers is well documented across the southeast not just portions of Tennessee.
Dodging the question? Are you serious?how much do you own?? you are dodging the question
You made the debate about individual property rights....while the orginal discussion was "should baiting be legal" and whats good for wildlife and what isnt good for wildlife. Nobody on here is against property owners rights...but plenty on here do care about whats best for wildlife....So where do you draw the line with managing wildlife? Should there be wildlife laws on private property? Yes, of course there must be laws....thats not giving up rights, thats managing a resource...and to add to this conversation, as a property owner I dont "own" the wildlife that uses my property...but I benefit from it...within the limits that are set.Stewardship and conservation are labels people use to push their agenda and make themselves feel good about. The labels are subjective. What's stewardship to a leftist environmentalist who doesn't own land may not jive with a landowner who owns 200 acres and enjoys to hunt. Who decides? The leftists in CA used stewardship and conservation (words that sound good) to cause a wildfire and water crisis- is that stewardship? Tens of thousands of burnt acres later, many will say no.
Ironically, in the name of stewardship CWD policies without scientific evidence have wrecked deer herds in Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri, and some counites in TN. Hunters today aren't enjoying it and neither will their children if the policies don't stop.
The debate is individual rights or the collective. Below is the actual definition. I submit an individual landowner will do a better job than the state the majority of the time. This country was founded on individual rights and limited governmental power. It's no coincidence private property rights are one of the first things Marxists go after.
Stewardship is an ethical value that embodies the responsible planning and management of resources. It is the act of taking care of or managing something, such as property, an organization, money, or valuable objects.
What proof do you have of that? Anyone in particular you have in mind? How many tests did TN conduct on CWD in 2024? 2014? 2004? 1994? You can't say when it was introduced into TN much less where or by whom.@Strict
In your specific example of CWD, how do you think it got to Tennessee in the first place?
It was very likely a landowner that illegally transported and released infected deer on their property, presumably in the name of individual freedom because they want big bucks like they saw on TV and who is the government to deny them that?
I agree and that certainly applies to government officials. And you can add political agendas to that. Why are egg prices so high? A handful of individuals had the power to kill millions of healthy egg laying chickens in the name of stewardship and conservation. Difference is if an individual makes a stupid conservation decision it will affect far fewer animals than a state or federal bureaucrat.Most individuals will do what is "right" as long as it's in their personal best interests at the time.
It's funny how the people who own a .5 acre lot in a subdivision know exactly how the ones who own and pay taxes on hunting land should practice conservation.how much do you own?? you are dodging the question
own and pay taxes is much different than "managing"but I'll tell you this, the land I own and/or manage
I made a one sentence statement and prepared to go back to the classifieds but you wanted clarification.You made the debate about individual property rights....while the orginal discussion was "should baiting be legal" and whats good for wildlife and what isnt good for wildlife.
Exactly why baiting should not be legalized. It would be a poor conservation decision made by a state bureaucrat. Great point (for those who are not in favor of baiting)Difference is if an individual makes a stupid conservation decision it will affect far fewer animals than a state or federal bureaucrat.
Who lives on .5 acres in a subdivision?It's funny how the people who own a .5 acre lot in a subdivision know exactly how the ones who own and pay taxes on hunting land should practice conservation.
own and pay taxes is much different than "managing"